29-12-2002 00:00									#1
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Terrorist acts targeting Grozny are being financed by unnamed Arab countries, Moscow's leading anti-espionage agent says.

The head of the anti-terrorist branch for the northern Caucuses, Col. Ilya Shabalkin, said orders were coming from a well-known rebel, Shamil Basayev, and a representative of the "Muslim Brotherhood" -- Abu Al Walid , CNN's Jill Dougherty reported.

Military intelligence, he says, recently learned that Abu Al Walid was ordering a series of terrorists attacks on Grozny. The attacks are being financed by several Arab countries, which were not named.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europ...toll/index.html

If true, this is a virtual declaration of war on Russia by the concerned Arab countries. Any speculation on which Arab countries may be involved?

	29-12-2002 00:05									#2
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Of course Iraq

	29-12-2002 00:06									#3
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I dunno, but I wouldn't be too quick in trusting the Russians here. There's still way too much government secrecy and corruption left over from the Soviet era.

	29-12-2002 00:11									#4
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I think Russia may renew hostilities with it's old rival, the Turks. Perhaps the Turks will even try to regain the Crimea.

	29-12-2002 00:11									#5
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The Gulf States and Arabia, duh.

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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I think Russia may renew hostilities with it's old rival, the Turks. Perhaps the Turks will even try to regain the Crimea.

Right, like Russia is in any position to mess with a NATO member.

	29-12-2002 00:29									#7
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Right, like Russia is in any position to mess with a NATO member.

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and vice versa.

	29-12-2002 00:39									#8
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Che, if it is the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia, why would they be financing terror in Grozny? I don't get it?

	29-12-2002 00:47									#9
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The people behind the seperatist movement in Chechnya are Wahhabists, which is the extremist sect of Sunni Islam that most of the Gulf follows. The Wahabis are spreading their extremist brand of Islam throughout the Sunni world. Remember, 15 of 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, and a lot of their funding came from Saudi Arabia.

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So Russia is going to bomb Saudi Arabia?

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It is a well know fact that must muslim terror organizations get there funds from Persian Gulf states. Those countries have lax control over "charitable" giving and a population which has been taught from birth to be xenophobic and filled with hate. The autocrates in charge figured they could unite their populations behind their dictatorships by training the people to hate outsiders. Now, I doubt the Saudis and their ilk could stop the flow of terror funds if they wanted to.

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how about this?
America pays the saudis to pay the terrorist, so that the russians hate the terrorists and jump in with the americans when they wana swat a few hussains?

	29-12-2002 02:55									#13
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It seems like Russia just wants to go indiscriminantely after Chechnya and call them linked with Al Queda so we'll look the other way.

	29-12-2002 02:59									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It seems like Russia just wants to go indiscriminantely after Chechnya and call them linked with Al Queda so we'll look the other way.

And they're not doing it right now? I think Russia realizes that the rest of the world doesn't care enough of chechnya and it can do whatever it pleases there.

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I approve. If **** hits the fan in the arab world, however, a WW might follow.

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quote: Originally posted by Lord_Davinator how about this? America pays the saudis to pay the terrorist, so that the russians hate the terrorists and jump in with the americans when they wana swat a few hussains?

I was waiting for that...

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn I was waiting for that...

how else could you tie in US in then?
I see you're from canada though... might as well blame you..

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quote: And they're not doing it right now? I think Russia realizes that the rest of the world doesn't care enough of chechnya and it can do whatever it pleases there.

There was some protest. But now... watch out!

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the world media is focused on iraq... and the world seees and believes what the medias wants... so chechyna is in the back seat

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There's strange stuff goin' on here.

I heard the bombers drove by three Russian checkpoints without stopping. And no one shoots??

And then the head of the Chechnyan resistence condemns the attack.

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler There's strange stuff goin' on here. I heard the bombers drove by three Russian checkpoints without stopping. And no one shoots?? And then the head of the Chechnyan resistence condemns the attack.

The head of the Chechnyan resistance has learned from the inimitable Arafat.

	29-12-2002 11:54									#22
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its wrong but why not give MILLIONS of people there own country, they want to be indepeanted

	29-12-2002 12:02									#23
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So Russia is going to bomb Saudi Arabia?

Nuke Saudis Now. Leave Iraqis alone.

its wrong but why not give MILLIONS of people there own country, they want to be indepeanted

Oil and precedent for future independence of Dagestan, Tatarstan, etc.

	29-12-2002 12:09									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel " Right, like Russia is in any position to mess with a NATO member. " and vice versa.

Well we were able to bomb one of their allies and force them to open their provinces into occupation.

Imran: It seems that there may well Al Qaeda- Chechen connections. Alot of the foreign Taliban fighters were Chechens, and when Islamic fundamentalists list their grievances against us they routinely list US support of Russians in Checnya as one.

	29-12-2002 12:43									#25
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just like I said... NUKE THE CHECHANS is more close to US policy...

	29-12-2002 13:12									#26
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Isn't it about time for a crusade?

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Isn't it about time for a crusade?

I have nothing to lose. Where do I sign up.

	29-12-2002 14:42									#28
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Errrm. I think you prolly have already.

What remains to be seen is if your nation has the will to do the job. And if the hangers on do not draw you back.

The course of the next 50 years will be determined by who has the will. Weak kneed liberals may not like it, but that is the case. European Enlightenment concepts simply cannot co-exist with some other views of the universe.

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	29-12-2002 16:37									#29
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quote: Well we were able to bomb one of their allies and force them to open their provinces into occupation.

errm, perhaps it was at the time where there was hardly any central authority in the region which is now called CIS. expanding into native american territory was harder.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Errrm. I think you prolly have already. What remains to be seen is if your nation has the will to do the job. And if the hangers on do not draw you back. The course of the next 50 years will be determined by who has the will. Weak kneed liberals may not like it, but that is the case. European Enlightenment concepts simply cannot co-exist with some other views of the universe.

European Enlightenment concepts survived the 20th century, so its a very good bet that they will survive the first half of the 21st, unless they are undermined and destroyed from within, like, with statements like these.

I say: all of thsoe calling for a crusade, do what the first actual crusaders did, get together yourself, form a private army, and away with you: go fight my boys, no one is stopping you.