04-01-2003 10:38									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten edit: Bullshit pass interference penalty. How many lucky breaks is OSU going to get?

Yes...

I have no favorites, but after that call Miami should have won the game.

	04-01-2003 10:44									#62
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It seems like OSU was destined to win; I've never seen a team get so many breaks in one game. Truly bizarre, but fun to watch. I don't really mind that much, as I hate Miami as everyone should...

	04-01-2003 10:47									#63
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I hate 'em both. My rooting interest was for a meteor to crash into the field. Alas, it was not to be.

	04-01-2003 11:37									#64
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Ohio State played a great game, but I don't see how anyone cannot say that Miami was robbed! What pass interference?!

	04-01-2003 11:40									#65
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Miami wasn't robbed. None of the cameras had as good of angle as did the official on the field. He was right on top of it. Given this, you've got to admit that it could have gone either way.

	04-01-2003 11:44									#66
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No it couldn't have gone either way. The Miami player didn't have a hand on the guy after the ball was in the air. It was a bullshit call and a horrible call, perhaps the worst I've ever seen in a big game like that.

	04-01-2003 11:46									#67
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The angles I saw were awkward. Did you see any better ones? If not, I wonder where you get your conviction...

	04-01-2003 11:49									#68
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The angles showed it very well. I don't know how you get awkward. The angle that showed the play from the back of the players obviously showed that not a hand was on the Ohio State player, after the bump off the line, until the ball was already in the OSU player's hands. The announcers (which with these two are very conservative in challenging the officials) even clearly stated it.

	04-01-2003 11:54									#69
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I agree entirely Imran Siddiqui... you could see in plain site that the Miami defender didn't even touch him until after he bobbled the ball and it flew off away from them both... a horrible call... I'd hate to be that ref and know that you cost Miami a game like that.

	04-01-2003 12:01									#70
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Oh btw, just heard the ROSE BOWL had its LOWEST attendance since 1944! Why? Because the BC(f'ing)S took away Big-10 v. Pac-10 in the that game.

Damn BCS .

(If the traditional Rose Bowl was kept, we'd see USC v. Oklahoma! What a much better game than the two we saw!)

	04-01-2003 12:58									#71
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Well... I can't argue with the BCS, THIS YEAR...

What a great game. Defense won the game for OSU. A salute to the CHAMPIONS... the Big 10 They were underated all year, and in the end, proved just how tough of a conference it was.

Unlike the big 12

	04-01-2003 13:01									#72
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quote: (If the traditional Rose Bowl was kept, we'd see USC v. Oklahoma! What a much better game than the two we saw!)

It wouldn't have been a better game. Oklahoma would've beat USC just as badly. Washington State did beat USC, remember?

quote: Unlike the big 12

The Big 12 finished 5-3 in the bowls, Ming. Big Ten finished 5-2. Not a big difference there.

	04-01-2003 13:04									#73
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Uhhh... the Big 12 doesn't have the NATIONAL CHAMPION... a Big Difference.

In comparison, the Big 12 SUCKS

	04-01-2003 13:13									#74
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quote: It wouldn't have been a better game. Oklahoma would've beat USC just as badly. Washington State did beat USC, remember?

You just keep believing that. I guess that means that you believe that in the NFL the Houston Texans would have beaten the Philadelphia Eagles because the Eagles lost to the New York Giants who lost to the Texans!

Dumb statements like that are why BCS Apologists have such little respect with the rest of the sports fans.

USC is arguably the best offense in the game right now, and Oklahoma is one of the best defenses in the game right now. It would have been amazing. Washington State of early season and now are much different. Same with USC of early season and now. In fact, I wonder if Oklahoma would be able to stop USC. I doubt it.

	04-01-2003 13:16									#75
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quote: Dumb statements like that are why BCS Apologists have such little respect with the rest of the sports fans.

You obviously weren't smart enough to see that I was mocking you and your bald faced assertions about the quality of USC...

	04-01-2003 13:16									#76
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OSU deserved to win it after all the times in the 90s they got screwed over on the last or second to last games of the season...

	04-01-2003 13:18									#77
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quote: You obviously weren't smart enough to see that I was mocking you and your bald faced assertions about the quality of USC

Seeing as there wasn't a smily at the end of your post, I doubt you were and when caught on it, simply made up some excuse.

Such bald faced assertions seeing that USC totally dismantled a good Iowa team that was ranked very highly in the polls.

	04-01-2003 13:22									#78
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Even unranked Wisconsin beat one of the ranked Big 12 teams... kind of sums up how bad the big 12 was this year

We are the CHAMPIONS...

	04-01-2003 13:25									#79
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quote: Seeing as there wasn't a smily at the end of your post, I doubt you were and when caught on it, simply made up some excuse.

Do I really have to put a smilie after every post? Are you really that slow? How in the world do you comprehend Laz's posts? <----- Added for Imran's benefit

quote: Such bald faced assertions seeing that USC totally dismantled a good Iowa team that was ranked very highly in the polls.

Who did Iowa beat this year? Who did USC beat this year? It's all a bald-faced assertion on your part, with no real evidence. It's really sad that you won't admit that the BCS worked out fine this year...

	04-01-2003 13:28									#80
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I said it DID... and the Big 10 proved they were the best conference in the country. Suck on that

	04-01-2003 13:37									#81
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Iowa beat:

Penn State (ranked 10th at the time)
Michigan (11th at the time)

USC beat:

Auburn (ranked 22nd at the time)
Colorado (ranked 14th at the time)
Notre Dame (ranked 12th at the time)
Iowa (ranked 3rd at the time)

And I don't have to tell you that USC's strength of schedule was #1.

And no, the BCS didn't work. Oklahoma, Georgia, and USC should have deserved a chance to play EITHER Ohio State or Miami (the teams that were allowed to play for the title).

	04-01-2003 13:40									#82
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quote: And I don't have to tell you that USC's strength of schedule was #1.

It doesn't matter how good your strength of schedule is when you lose two games. Washington State and Kansas State both showed that they were better than USC on the field. To claim that USC is better than these teams now is a BAM. You need a new argument...

	04-01-2003 13:43									#83
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OSU and the Big 10 ARE NUMBER ONE... that's a fact under the current system

	04-01-2003 13:44									#84
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You're right Ming. The Big Ten and OSU are number one.

I'm going to go shoot myself now. I'll never be clean after saying that...

	04-01-2003 13:46									#85
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quote: It doesn't matter how good your strength of schedule is when you lose two games. Washington State and Kansas State both showed that they were better than USC on the field. To claim that USC is better than these teams now is a BAM. You need a new argument...

USC is 11-2, Kansas State is 11-2, and Washington State is 10-3. Seeing that USC is #1 in SOS, they are a better team than KState or WashState.

I guess you think the entire BCS is a BAM then, huh? I think I saw USC higher than WashState and KState in the BCS rankings.

And since the BCS is a BAM, don't you think we ought to get rid of it .

	04-01-2003 13:47									#86
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I still think the BCS Sucks... but if that's what we have to live with right now... The Big 10 is number one.

	04-01-2003 13:49									#87
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It's funny how the anti-BCS zealot has been reduced to using BCS rankings for his arguments.

I don't think the BCS is a BAM. It works and Ohio State is the national champ. Deal with it.

	04-01-2003 13:51									#88
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I just said that if we are going to use this piece of crap we call the BCS, I will crow that the Big 10 is number one.

The system still sucks... but if that's what it is, the Big 10 is number one

	04-01-2003 13:53									#89
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quote: I don't think the BCS is a BAM.

It ranked USC over WState and KState, which you think is a BAM... ergo... do the logic with me now.

quote: It's funny how the anti-BCS zealot has been reduced to using BCS rankings for his arguments.

The best way to discredit an opponent's argument is to use the thing he is arguing for against him.

quote: Deal with it.

I never said I wasn't dealing with OSU being the national champ. However as for the BCS working, that's a BAM. The BCS was to have a national championship game between 1 and 2 while preserving the rest of the bowls. It gave us 1 v. 2, but destroyed the Rose Bowl for no reason. Therefore it technically did not work (even if you wish to cling to your argument that the BCS isn't for deciding the 'true' national champion - as you before admitted).

	04-01-2003 13:56									#90
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quote: the Big 10 is number one

OSU is number one, but I don't know about the Big Ten. I think the Big 12 is going to end up with more teams in the top ten. Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas State should make it, while the Big Ten will only have OSU and maybe Iowa or Michigan.

Go Big 12!