29-12-2002 10:27									#1
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Well, the Big Ten gets its first bowl win of the season with a Wisconsin upset over #14 Colorado in the Alamo Bowl, 31-28 in overtime. Yee-haw! Go Big Ten!

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	29-12-2002 11:14									#2
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Confound it! I was doing so good in the ESPN Bowl Pick'em until then, too - only missing Tulane's upset in the Hawaii bowl.

	02-01-2003 06:00									#3
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What, nobody's watching any bowl games?

So far a disappointingly lopsided Rose Bowl with Oklahoma beating Washington State 27-7 with five minutes remaining in the 4th. The Big Ten's done pretty well so far though at 4-1. Disappointing loss by Penn State to Auburn in the Citrus Bowl. My brother's supposed to be at the Sugar Bowl tonight so I'll be watching for him.

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Who's your pick for the Cereal Bowl? I think Cornflakes have a good chance this year if their QB doesn't go soggy on them again.

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Actually, I'm kinda pulling for Trix this year. That poor rabbit is due for an upset.

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My early pick was Lucky Charms, but after that damn Leprechaun stole their best Running Back it was always gonna be tough for them to generate any yardage on the ground. When they came up against the great defensive line of Muesli (those nuts really fill up the gaps) it was all over.

	02-01-2003 09:10									#7
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Michigan-Florida easily the best New Year's game thus far. Big Ten certainly kicking ass this year..

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Woo! Opening kickoff of the Orange Bowl: Iowa runs it back 100 yards for the TD. Let's go Hawkeyes!

	03-01-2003 06:19									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Jules Woo! Opening kickoff of the Orange Bowl: Iowa runs it back 100 yards for the TD. Let's go Hawkeyes!

That'll unnerve all those arguing that USC is the best team in the nation, hopefully.

Yesterday's BCS games both stunk (ok, perhaps Ga-FSU was OK). Hopefully the Orange will be a good one. The Fiesty Bowl looks like a blowout in the making.

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Good game so far. Tied 10-10 at the half.

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'SC looks like they're about to pull away... 'Eyes haven't done anything at all offensively. Palmer is making the Heisman people look smart, Banks is making them feel relieved!

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Gah! USC is running away with it now, 31-10 early 4th quarter. Why can't I see a decent bowl game?!

	03-01-2003 09:10									#13
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Decent bowl games, quite often involve miraculous comebacks.

But 90% of the time, it's the Holiday Bowl that produces them.

ACK!

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Well, ok, I take it back. Wisconsin's upset of Colorado was a great game.

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quote: Originally posted by Jules Gah! USC is running away with it now, 31-10 early 4th quarter. Why can't I see a decent bowl game?!

Tomorrow's will be decent.

If you like Miami and are sadistic.

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Turnover on downs! An emotional lift for Iowa! :excited:

Now Iowa's offense just needs to score 3 more TDs in 10 minutes than they scored in the preceding 50 minutes

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Or, perhaps not...

3 for 3 stinkers

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I'm telling ya--

Ohio State will win tomorrow. 24-10.

	04-01-2003 01:38									#19
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Last nights game shows WHY we need a playoff. Iowa was a good team and was totally destroyed by USC! I bet USC could beat Miami if they played.

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Check out the Strength of Schedule part of the BCS numbers. USC had the #1 toughest schedule in the country (and plays a tough schedule most years). The other BCS teams:

Miami: 19th
Ohio State: 20
Georgia: 5
Iowa: 49
WSU: 21
Oklahoma: 14
FSU: 3

It's a lot easer to go undefeated when you're not playing the best teams in the country.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Last nights game shows WHY we need a playoff. Iowa was a good team and was totally destroyed by USC! I bet USC could beat Miami if they played.

Think Miami could beat Washington State? USC couldn't....

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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man Think Miami could beat Washington State? USC couldn't....

Grr...we'd have won if we had a decent placekicker that could make PATs.

I'd like to whack him upside the head except (1) I live 1500 miles from Los Angeles now and (2) even a placekicker would have no problems beating me senseless.

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quote: Think Miami could beat Washington State? USC couldn't....

USC can beat them now, I have no doubt.

	04-01-2003 02:27									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Think Miami could beat Washington State? USC couldn't.... USC can beat them now, I have no doubt.

Unfortunately for USC, they had their chance and failed (And also against Kansas). If you let USC play Miami, both WSU and Kansas have a legit argument that they too should be in the title game, since they beat USC. And the debate goes on forever....

Yes, USC played very well from October 4-Jan 2. You could probably find a few teams that, if you picked a different time period, also played very well. Miami's played well for 3 years and when they crush OSU... well... end of argument, realistically.

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Yet Kansas is not 10-2 and WSU lost it's bowl game, though I would have let WSU in a playoff as well. The fact is USC is playing the best football of anyone else, and the fact that there is NO playoff is a travesty.

If there was a playoff USC would be the national champion, because they are the best team.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yet Kansas is not 10-2 and WSU lost it's bowl game, though I would have let WSU in a playoff as well. The fact is USC is playing the best football of anyone else, and the fact that there is NO playoff is a travesty. If there was a playoff USC would be the national champion, because they are the best team.

Then why did they lose twice?

If you're saying USC is the best team right now, they may well be. But if you're judging a team by it's last game... technically every team that won its Bowl could make the same argument (NC State, Oklahoma, Georgia all won Bowls, and won as many games as USC).

Or perhaps we could call USC the champions of November and December? But then, this is called the 2002 season...

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Plus... isn't the rest of the PAC-10 1-4 in bowl games? I proclaim the PAC-10 a patsy conference!

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USC had the toughest schedule in the country, by FAR. Let's see Miami take on that schedule. Or even Ohio State, and they only lost two.

USC is the best team out there. And yes, Oklahoma and Georgia ALSO have a valid argument for the title game. That is the problem. They should all be in the running, but the idocy of the BCS prevents it.

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I bet if you were running the NFL, the Eagles would be named champions by now. And New England wouldn't even be allowed near the 'final game' last year.

	04-01-2003 03:03									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui USC had the toughest schedule in the country, by FAR.

I know they were #1 in strength of schedule... but exactly how much harder was that schedule than, say, OSUs, on a percentage basis? 20th hardest out of 100 or so, versus 1st hardest out of 100... that could be 3-5% harder for all I've seen here.

quote: Let's see Miami take on that schedule. Or even Ohio State, and they only lost two.

You can only win the games you play. Miami's won the last 34... I suspect they'd rise to the occasion.

quote: USC is the best team out there. And yes, Oklahoma and Georgia ALSO have a valid argument for the title game. That is the problem. They should all be in the running, but the idocy of the BCS prevents it.

That's BAMing. Maybe Iowa was overrated. ND certainly was. Outside of those 2 teams, USC didn't beat anyone ranked in thetop 25 since losing to Wash State...

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I bet if you were running the NFL, the Eagles would be named champions by now. And New England wouldn't even be allowed near the 'final game' last year.

Nice quick edit.

The NCAA isn't the NFL. And if you go back to all those BCS threads (since I don't want to go through all that again), you'll see that I advocated a NCAA playoff in circumstances where there was no clear-cut #1 and #2 teams. This year, that isn't the case.