31-12-2002 01:01									#1
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quote: Lord of the Rings is filled with white supremacist innuendo. It is a thoroughly racist film. The film insinuates that the white race is coming under attack by evil dark forces and is on the edge of extinction. The evil Lord Suraman has a hooked nose like a Jewish person and his armies has African like features, such as stringy hair and broad noses. It’s the old Jew using the negro to destroy the white man story. Even the “white” kingdom of Rohan is a play on words for Aryan. Rohan = Arhon (h being the letter i in Greek). While speaking to the King of Rohan, Aragon turns to the audience and says, “open warfare is upon you whether you like it or not, now is the time to fight for your people!” If that’s not a subliminal message then I don’t know what is. The king of Rohan even has a gentile lackey who sold out to the Jew Suraman and is aiding in the destruction of the race of men (the white race). The King of Rohan asks the question, “who is going to come to our aid?”, … “no one! We stand alone.” In my opinion, the entire movie is a recruiting film for the white power movement. Think about it before you go spending your money to watch this trash!

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	31-12-2002 01:03									#2
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Gotta hand it to some people. They have vivid imaginations .

	31-12-2002 01:06									#3
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Well, it is filmed in NZ, what does that say?

	31-12-2002 01:06									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Gotta hand it to some people. They have vivid imaginations .

Agreed, he put some time and thought into writing that!

	31-12-2002 01:07									#5
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the best part is about Aragon turning to the audience and sending out subliminal messages

	31-12-2002 01:07									#6
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Tolkien was after all a very conservative person and also an expert on languages so he might have come up with the version of the world aryan. On the other hand it's near impossible to think up a word that can't be connected to some other real word if anyone tries hard enough. That the person thinks that the Orcs look like africans might imply that the author himself is a closet racist. Nothing in particular about those makes me think about black people at all.

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	31-12-2002 01:08									#7
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Well, I'm convinced.

	31-12-2002 01:09									#8
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG the best part is about Aragon turning to the audience and sending out subliminal messages

How clever of Peter Jackson to subtly influence our subconscious by having the main character turn to face the audience and speak to them!

	31-12-2002 01:25									#9
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IMHO, LotR is racist. However, its races are quite different to those of the real world (just like its physics, geology, etc.) and cannot be interpreted allegorically or didactically. You cannot say that the Orcs are Blacks or Caucasians or something silly like that because that's absurd.

Personally, though, I would have made the Uruk-Hai blond.

	31-12-2002 01:41									#10
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Now dont forget that "special" kind of relationship between Sam and Frodo....

	31-12-2002 01:48									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Well, it is filmed in NZ, what does that say?

You've intrigued me - what DOES that say?

	31-12-2002 01:52									#12
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Actually, Black people are allied with Sauron in the books. The men of Far Harad are swarthy and dark. But, with the exception of the Men of Rohan, Gondor, the Rangers of the North, the Woodsmens of Mirkwood and the Men of Dale, all the men of the world are allied with Sauron, so that really doesn't say anything special about race.

	31-12-2002 01:53									#13
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wow. I think this guy has got a point. do you have a forum there too, Mark, so I can read more of his enlightening posts?

	31-12-2002 01:56									#14
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This post has been spread all over the internet on several messageboards. On most boards the administrators remove it.......... on ours they place it

	31-12-2002 01:58									#15
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy This post has been spread all over the internet on several messageboards. On most boards the administrators remove it.......... on ours they place it

yay 'poly!

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	31-12-2002 02:00									#16
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This one should be filed next to the outcry against the name of the film ("The Two Towers" was insensitive, of course, due to 9/11. Nevermind that it was written decades prior). People are idiots.

-Arrian

	31-12-2002 02:01									#17
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When I was in college in the 70's. I took an English Lit. class where the entire semester was discussions of the Hobbit and LOTR. (yes, an easy A)

Our professors take was more on the lines of GB vs Nazi Germany. The Shire being English in it's perfect form in the West and Germany being the evil empire in the EAST. Germany had fought men in the past WW1, and were building to fight them again. England undermaned couldn't hope to attain victory without help from other countries/races. And by the end, the English countryside and people had suffered the ravages of war but were the main players in it's ultimate victory, but had assistance from the rest of the "good" world. There were hundreds of references throughout the book that could be attributed to this type of interpretation. And considering the proximity of these historical events to the time of it's writing, it is much more likely that they influenced the works.

Much more convincing but equally absurd.

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	31-12-2002 02:04									#18
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hehe... I do wonder what he thinks the ents are... I mean they have to be something about them that should send a sublimal message...

	31-12-2002 02:06									#19
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Nazi Germany was so evil, that even nature (ents) were motivated from their slow existence to contribute to it's defeat.

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It was a full semester

	31-12-2002 02:11									#20
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Lancer, I don't know what it is you were trying to say, but NZ has got to be one of the countries with the least racisim in the world.


On topic, I think it's just a co-incidence. I'm pretty good at spotting subliminal messages and I don't see anything really bad. Two things that I notice are that: Gandalf also has long stringy hair, and the height of the hobbits, would be closer to the short african and south american people. (can't remember the names.)

If anything, Tolkien, SUPPORTS more races, not one super race.

	31-12-2002 02:12									#21
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Tolkein is rolling in his grave. The man HATED being accused of allegory.

-Arrian

	31-12-2002 02:50									#22
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Well, if you're going to read that much into Tolkien's books, note that the West is always right - it is in the West that Valinor, the Undying Land, exists. The East is always where evil comes from and where it returns.
And I don't think it's unfair to say Tolkien had certain races allied with Sauron - some of them came in riding elephants, for crying out loud. It just depends how much you want to read into it.

	31-12-2002 02:53									#23
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Agreed. In any book about "good" vs "evil" people are always going to try to crow about their own personal interpretation.

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OMG THE TWO TOWERS IS INSENSITVE TO 9-11

LET'S ROLL

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	31-12-2002 03:21									#25
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quote: Well, if you're going to read that much into Tolkien's books, note that the West is always right - it is in the West that Valinor, the Undying Land, exists. The East is always where evil comes from and where it returns.

The Elves were first put on earth in the east, I believe. And evil first came from the north.

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tolkien was south african. nuff said

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quote: Our professors take was more on the lines of GB vs Nazi Germany.

He should have been fired.

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The women in his stories come off a bit bad though. But as an Oxford Don he was prolly more into public school boys anywas

	31-12-2002 04:27									#29
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While in general Tolkien despised cheap allegory, in the prelude to one of his books he explains that there is a sort of allegory within his work. As a child he had a favorite spot, a wild pond that he frequented. A series of family tragedies forced him to move away. When he came back the place had been taken over by a mill. The name of this mill is immortalized in the book. More importantly he confesses in a way that he is a bit of a Luddite. His repeated referrences to the enemy as "dark", "black", and "foul" are not racist, but instead are anti-industrial.

	31-12-2002 04:32									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus The Elves were first put on earth in the east, I believe. And evil first came from the north.

No, the elves came to middle earth via the western sea.

In Tolkien's England the north and east were industrial and urban, the west was agrarian and rural.