03-01-2003 04:23									#1
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I always knew pop stars and rnb singers didn't write their songs but I always assumed rockers wrote the music and lyrics but from some references in other threads, it seems that they don't...

so are rappers the only ones who usually and are expected to write their own lyrics? Of course, rappers generally don't have to worry about the music, leaving that to producers, but rappers almost always write their lyrics with the exception of a few rappers such as Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg who also have to deal with production for many artists in Dre's case, as well as managing record labels in both of theirs cases so they don't got time to write lyrics... most rappers write their own songs... what's with that? High school drop-outs can write lyrics while rich rockers can not?


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	03-01-2003 04:27									#2
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I wasn't aware that babies come out of the womb being rich rock stars.

	03-01-2003 04:28									#3
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Osweld:

Rockers are suburban... enough said... (except maybe a few who came from trailer parks and what not but those would probably become country singers if anything)

	03-01-2003 04:30									#4
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...so?

	03-01-2003 04:31									#5
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this thread should be closed for utter stupidity. I'm reporting this...

P.S. rockers aren't suburban for the most part. And most do write their own lyrics. Usually the singer writes the lyrics. And the band writes the music. Although some band members don't get much of a say.

	03-01-2003 04:33									#6
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but do your typical rock band actually write their lyrics? why don't they? those lyrics seem very simplistic... same with pop singers... why can't Nsync write their songs? I mean they all go like... I'll always love you... I'll always be true... easy **** to write


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	03-01-2003 04:34									#7
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well what about pop stars? it dont seem hard to write those songs at all...

	03-01-2003 04:34									#8
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I agree with you on pop music. but you do need to listen to more rock music.

P.S. U2 is mostly pop anyways

	03-01-2003 04:34									#9
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Well most bands do, all of the bands I listen to do, except when doing a cover perhaps but that's a different story altogether. I would imagine alot of the artists/bands on MTV don't write their own lyrics.

	03-01-2003 04:35									#10
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speer, is it me, or are 95% of your threads about some the generic characterization of a group, any group?

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Speer, you're an idjit.

	03-01-2003 04:43									#12
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Personally I think the whole, "performers have to write their own music to be considered 'legit' " thing is pretty stupid. Back in the 60s, most music was written by professional writers in these big music houses. You would often see several groups performing the same tune. It was common for a black group to put out a solid hit and then when us whities got ahold of it, we would rip it off and have a more acceptable white group put out the song.

The entire American music scene has been built off of ripping off black music but hey that's another thread.

Anyway, I think Bob Dylan is one of the most overrated musicians ever, but he is often credited with being the one to reverse the trend and make it acceptable for a performer to write his own lyrics.

I think there are some great performers out there that don't write their own music and that just makes them that much better. I see alot of groups and performers come up through the ranks, being guided by some great hands, but then when they start writing and producing their own stuff, it turns into utter crap.

	03-01-2003 04:44									#13
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MarkG! I havent seen you in a long ass minute... how's Macedonia? it was in the news for a while a year or two ago about genocide or something... what happened to that?

anyway, fine... let's pretend I never mentioned rockers and instead... why don't pop singers write their simple lyrics?


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because pop stars have very little creativity. They just have enough talent to perform.

	03-01-2003 04:49									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer MarkG! I havent seen you in a long ass minute... how's Macedonia? it was in the news for a while a year or two ago about genocide or something... what happened to that?

you know, the Macedonia joke on me is long before very, very old. you'll have to improvise....

quote: anyway, fine... let's pretend I never mentioned rockers and instead... why don't pop singers write their simple lyrics?

so you're saying that have made some study on pop singers and found that you can generalize saying that they dont write their lyrics?

i think i have a single pop album in my collection. it's shakira and she writes most of her own songs. my survey shows other things from what you're saying....

	03-01-2003 04:52									#16
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1.3/10

	03-01-2003 05:10									#17
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quote: you know, the Macedonia joke on me is long before very, very old. you'll have to improvise....

The hairy Greek thing still works pretty good though I bet.

	03-01-2003 05:24									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker The hairy Greek thing still works pretty good though I bet.

naaaah..... i'm over that too. actually, i never had a problem with it. want to see some photos?

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Nevermind.

ACK!

	03-01-2003 05:25									#20
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Sure, get me some photos of the Statue of Alexander the Great down by the waterfront in Thessaloniki.

	03-01-2003 05:32									#21
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here you go

	03-01-2003 05:36									#22
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All lyrics are a sad way to distract from minimal or trite, aged musical production

In Combiation with = No
Talent in rhyming = No
Artistic message = No


Give me new sounds to get me dancing, throw the odd psychotic message in to freak everyone out and reinforce a scene based on sex. Otherwise, lyrics are old and useless - they should be limited to print in nice books until everyone forgets how overused, plagiarist and redundant they have become. Just give them a rest for a few decades, then they'll be as fresh as a spring time hymen!

	03-01-2003 05:36									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld I wasn't aware that babies come out of the womb being rich rock stars.

If most rockers don't come from the suburbs, where do the come from? The inner city? I doubt it.

Of course, it was different way back in the 60s with bands like The Who and The Beatles coming from working class city background, but then again, that was when rock was actually innovative. Today I would say that the majority of rockers, especially North American ones, come from suburban backgrounds.

Arguing otherwise is pointless, its just not true for the majority of cases. I grew up innercity Boston, and I'll tell you, NO ONE listens to rock, not even the white kids (and in Boston, there are lots of inner city whites, one of the highest per capita than any other American city). If you're a kid, you listen to hip-hop, or maybe the blues or reggae soemtimes, if you're an adult you probably listen to soul, or like my parents, Motown. All of the rock fans/bands live in the suburbs. I've never heard of a rock band coming from the innercity, at least in Boston.

Now that thats settled...

quote: this thread should be closed for utter stupidity. I'm reporting this...

Why, because you disagree? If this thread were created by someone else and said "rap sucks, they don't write their own music, plus their unedumacated" you'd be like a pig in sh*t. But since you don't agree... reporting time.

Albert: As usual, you're right, but you're preaching to the wrong crowd. White rock fans refuse to believe that their views and interests could ever be proven fallible. Rock is artistic, intelligent and god's music... all the rest is crap. Unless its considered elite like classical or jazz... in which case, they won't listen to it, but they'll "respect it".

Man I'm glad I grew up in the city

P.S. Don't worry about MarkG, every one of his actions and posts is biggoted in some way towards something. He'll probably close this just because he doesn't like you.

	03-01-2003 05:37									#24
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MarkG,

Bad ass pictures!!!

I like the shields and spears (what are those called) in the background too.

	03-01-2003 05:37									#25
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I've seen those pictures on the net.

Go take your own, and make 'em nice. I need them for Clash and I don't want to pay $1700 for the one I'm using as a comp.

	03-01-2003 05:39									#26
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quote: Don't worry about MarkG, every one of his actions and posts is biggoted in some way towards something. He'll probably close this just because he doesn't like you.

please supply an example of previous such behaviour by me....

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	03-01-2003 05:42									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I agree with you on pop music. but you do need to listen to more rock music. P.S. U2 is mostly pop anyways

No you don't, I studied and listened to rock for like 6 years when I got sick of rap a while back. After all that I came back to the conclusion that rap is superior

But I can talk for hours about rock, which is almost never the case for the reverse (as in a rock fan being able to talk about rap, for even a minute). Rock can be interesting at times, and it can be fun to listen to (old rock that is), but thats about it. It doesn't move you the same way that good rap can. Listen to rock for the sake of learning (as should be your attitude with everything), but I'll think you'll just rediscover your appreciation for rap.

	03-01-2003 05:44									#29
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: Don't worry about MarkG, every one of his actions and posts is biggoted in some way towards something. He'll probably close this just because he doesn't like you. please supply an example of previous such behaviour by me....

The welsh thread for a recent example?

But I do like you MarkG, I just get defensive of rap

	03-01-2003 05:45									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I like the shields and spears (what are those called) in the background too.

the spears are called sarrisses and they were 6m long(not sure if the one on the statue are of that length)