07-01-2003 08:05									#31
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This sort of runs counter to the facts, since several people I know are being prescribed Marinol as an anti-depressant.

	07-01-2003 08:08									#32
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MDMA's a load of **** anyway, it blocks both sweating and thermostatic control, as well as (possibly) causing damage to the raphe bodies, seratonin pathways and so on, in long term users.

Thats just a reason not to take it more than once a week though Its fun while it lasts.

	07-01-2003 08:08									#33
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quote: buying drugs instead of paying off the mortgage... getting jordans and jerseys instead of buying food... people need to get their priorities straight first and stop ****ing and smoking...

Ok, you've realised what the problem is. People are the problem. Not drugs, or anything else. You are fighting a symptom.

	07-01-2003 08:10									#34
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no, graag... because if the drugs didn't exist, there would be no such problems...

	07-01-2003 08:12									#35
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quote: Nah high boys have asked me if i had any acid on me before... a lot of people do whatever drugs they can get their hands on.

Thats funny, its really rare and costs a fortune even in the UK's equiv of the Projects. I guess because its very hard to make.

It sort of a niche drug now, which is a real shame since it doesn't do any damage.

Edit: Also, Graags wrong about depression being existentialist angst. Its an illness clearly enough, with physiological symptoms. The psychological feelings of worthlessness are an added extra.

	07-01-2003 08:14									#36
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quote: I'm one of the few people on this site who is actually real... all I know is philly... I've never done any drugs but you know god damn well I've had first-hand experiences with what drugs do to people

I'm pretty real
I spent a year living in Kings Cross in Sydney surrouded by Smack, Crack, Booze addicts, thats pretty real. If you stopped the supply of all drugs, everyone who uses drugs would drink themselves to death. Simple.

quote: LSD has no side effects. I love it, its a pity its so unpopular.

Hmm, ****s with my head too much... bad trip, long story.

	07-01-2003 08:16									#37
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Drugs are illegal right now. How do u propose keeping it off the streets?

	07-01-2003 08:18									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil Edit: Also, Graags wrong about depression being existentialist angst. Its an illness clearly enough, with physiological symptoms. The psychological feelings of worthlessness are an added extra.

Thats just like, your opinion, man.
This is another cause of mixing up cause and effect. The physiological symptoms are a symptom of the mental ailment.

	07-01-2003 08:19									#39
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quote: Hmm, fucks with my head too much... bad trip, long story

Fair enough, different strokes and all. You can get a variation of it called orange bliss which gives a much mellower high. In fact it is probably the stuff your parents took in the summer of '67

You're right about the drinking thing though, substance abuse is more a symptom of despair than anything else. Of course addictive nasties like smack and cigarettes really drag you down, adding to woes.

	07-01-2003 08:19									#40
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Speer you're an idiot

I'm real because I only know the streets...

Che says it best - you don't know **** about the suburbs. And do you know why? Becuase you live in a bubble - the city - and you look to strict militant morality and religion to solve the problems of the skeletons in your closet. Funny that a guy from the streets doesn't even have street smarts.

	07-01-2003 08:21									#41
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orange, ROTFLMAO

	07-01-2003 08:21									#42
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Then how come the physiological symptoms are common the world over, while the psychological worthlessness commonly only happens in the West?

	07-01-2003 08:22									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil Then how come the physiological symptoms are common the world over, while the psychological worthlessness commonly only happens in the West?

Care to elaborate? What is depression without the worthlessness?

	07-01-2003 08:24									#44
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Evil:

Weed and crack are the most common drugs and i actually was kind of surprised when the boy randomly asked me that. I actually was about to bust out laughing but nah... i'm sure people manage to get their hands on it. it's probably cheaper in an American city than in the UK.

but anyway, still... that's my point... people waste their money on drugs when they could spend it on more practical things.


Graag:

Australia...


Lawrence:

We need to also have a society where drug use is abhored... the fact is that legalizing drugs makes it appear as if society is accepting drug use... keeping drugs illegal is not enough to stop drug use, but legalizing them DEFINENTLY is a step back


thanks

	07-01-2003 08:27									#45
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quote: Graag: Australia...

Ah, yes. Since australia is well known as a nonsense state where the normal rules or existence and reason are suspended, everything I've said is wrong. Well refuted.
Oh, and the other arguements?

	07-01-2003 08:31									#46
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quote: Fair enough, different strokes and all. You can get a variation of it called orange bliss which gives a much mellower high. In fact it is probably the stuff your parents took in the summer of '67

Hmm. I just want to get my hands on some mushrooms... I'm fed up with chemicals.

	07-01-2003 08:31									#47
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So AS, how do you propose to change people's minds about drugs?

	07-01-2003 08:32									#48
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quote: that's my point... people waste their money on drugs when they could spend it on more practical things.

If it wasn't drugs, it would be booze. It is that simple.

	07-01-2003 08:36									#49
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quote: but anyway, still... that's my point... people waste their money on drugs when they could spend it on more practical things

Perfectly true, only problem is weed is nowhere near as addictive as cigs and booze. People can waste money on practically anything unfortunately, as you said earlier.

Becoming dependant on pot is a consequence of many things, including a lack of motivation. Removing pot from the equation won't neccessarily make anything better.

Its only the really addictive substances that people find hard to live without.


Gragg, do you really want me to get the big guns out? I'll see if I can get my scanner working and I'll show you.

	07-01-2003 08:38									#50
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Lawrence:

I don't know but legalizing drugs will NOT help... that's for sure...


Graag:

hey I'm not too fond of alchohol either... frankly, I want all foreign liquors to be banned and we keep only Budweiser and other local brewery companies (don't worry about monopolies as with bud, coors, etc. we still got competition)... and then somebody does a fanatical ad campaign to curtail drinking and what not... gov't comes out against it... whatever. and then people won't drink either...


thanks

	07-01-2003 08:46									#51
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quote: Gragg, do you really want me to get the big guns out? I'll see if I can get my scanner working and I'll show you.

Bring it on, big boy.

quote: hey I'm not too fond of alchohol either... frankly, I want all foreign liquors to be banned and we keep only Budweiser and other local brewery companies (don't worry about monopolies as with bud, coors, etc. we still got competition)... and then somebody does a fanatical ad campaign to curtail drinking and what not... gov't comes out against it... whatever. and then people won't drink either...

Um.. since you've stopped arguing, should I take it you've admitted weed may as well be legal?
And regarding the quote above, ain't gonna happen. Your problem is that people's lives suck, no amount of propaganda or legislation will stop that.

	07-01-2003 08:57									#52
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I'm very tired, I'll do it later, I promise.

It'll probably kill the thread anyway

	07-01-2003 09:00									#53
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this thread keeps getting better and better Not only are we now semi-dry, but we're protecting US beer...

Never, EVER vote Speer president

	07-01-2003 09:00									#54
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Graag:

I want to stop drug use... legalization does nothing to stop drug use...


thanks

	07-01-2003 09:02									#55
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Chicken! Brack-Brack-Braaaa-ck! Chicken!

	07-01-2003 09:04									#56
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quote: I'm very tired, I'll do it later, I promise.

Loser.

quote: this thread keeps getting better and better Not only are we now semi-dry, but we're protecting US beer... Never, EVER vote Speer president

ROTFLMAO crying like a newborn

quote: I want to stop drug use... legalization does nothing to stop drug use...

Neither does prohibition

	07-01-2003 09:07									#57
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:wipes tears from eyes:

WOO!

	07-01-2003 09:10									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Static23 This sort of runs counter to the facts, since several people I know are being prescribed Marinol as an anti-depressant.

That is certainly not an accepted use for marinol.

	07-01-2003 09:12									#59
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I agree with Speer. Most drugs just run people into the ground. And quickly.

	07-01-2003 09:16									#60
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I agree with Speer. Most drugs just run people into the ground. And quickly.

Did you read this thread?