08-01-2003 03:11									#1
	What the hell is wrong with the Germans? Put an end to popups!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2636211.stm

quote: A German man could be jailed for three years over a comment posted on the internet, in which prosecutors say he belittled the events of 11 September.

What can I say...

	08-01-2003 03:13									#2
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Dear God!

KrazyHorse just posted the exact same thing on another site about 3 minutes ago.

	08-01-2003 03:13									#3
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damn, we've said worse than that in joking, haven't we?

Very very interesting link

	08-01-2003 03:13									#4
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Democracy is still in the process of perfection.

	08-01-2003 03:16									#5
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besides the fact that they wear shorts with black socks and sandals?

	08-01-2003 03:18									#6
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The Germans on Poly should be rotting in jail soon enough, I think.

	08-01-2003 03:19									#7
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so THAT'S where Andz went!

	08-01-2003 03:24									#8
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Wow, that's pretty dumb. Half of 'poly would be in jail if that standard was applied to them.

-Arrian

	08-01-2003 03:38									#9
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I thought this was going to be about the reelection of Schroeder. This has the potential to be more interesting though.

	08-01-2003 04:37									#10
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****ed up.

	10-01-2003 10:24									#11
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What do you expect after being pussywhipped by the holocaust extortionists the past 50 years?

	10-01-2003 10:28									#12
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quote: Originally posted by orange damn, we've said worse than that in joking, haven't we? Very very interesting link

I've said worst things while being serious. And I'm a New yorker

These are the times I'm glad I dont live in Germany~

quote: Wow, that's pretty dumb. Half of 'poly would be in jail if that standard was applied to them. -Arrian

You mean half of poly would be in jail if the standard was applied to half of poly...

	10-01-2003 11:24									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II I've said worst things while being serious. And I'm a New yorker

hisssssss

	10-01-2003 11:49									#14
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I disapprove of this, but if Germany is going to ban stuff like pro-nazi speech, it should also have the right to ban pro-Taliban speech.

	10-01-2003 11:58									#15
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Don't forget that blood and human dismemberment is prohibited in video games in Germany. More of that 'glorification of a criminal act' business I suppose.

	10-01-2003 11:59									#16
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Well, they invade France a lot ... erm, sorry, you asked whats wrong with them ... Nevermind.

The German constitution (or whatever document they use instead) was changed after the second WW. What Americans may call free speech is far more restricted - and not only in relation to the holocaust/swastika but in other areas as well. What might simply be called hate-mongering elsewhere is often a punishable offence...

	10-01-2003 12:07									#17
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Yup, that's why more often than not I choose to buy outside of Germany. I think it's kind of silly but in games that have to do with WWII there are no nazi symbols in the german versions as they rae outlawed too ! Talking about freedom of expression...

	10-01-2003 12:12									#18
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quote: Originally posted by The Pioneer Yup, that's why more often than not I choose to buy outside of Germany. I think it's kind of silly but in games that have to do with WWII there are no nazi symbols in the german versions as they rae outlawed too ! Talking about freedom of expression...

in axis and allies they use a cross (not the iron cross):

they had swastikas in wolfenstien

	10-01-2003 13:01									#19
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And Europeans still have the audacity to call the US a police state? ****ing hypocrites...

	10-01-2003 13:35									#20
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I think that I'm not having sex with a hypocrite...

I'd better start choosing my words more carefully...

	10-01-2003 13:53									#21
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Hopefully the European Court of Humans rights will put a stop to this.

	10-01-2003 13:57									#22
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And it's obvious the comment was meant sarcastically, he called the perpetrators of 9/11 'murderers'.

	10-01-2003 14:20									#23
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I want to hear how this all ends, how shameful of them to even accuse

quote: And it's obvious the comment was meant sarcastically, he called the perpetrators of 9/11 'murderers'.

Doesn't prove a thing, I'm afraid . If you think it does, you have wrong definition of the word in your head. I can't believe this is the second time I'm whining about this

	10-01-2003 15:31									#24
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There's a simple answer to this as a few have indicated here.

Germans are ashamed to be Germans even today. I have asked Germans where they come from and they are VERY reluctant to tell me.

Germany has a genocide complex. DUH.

	10-01-2003 15:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Lars-E Germans are ashamed to be Germans even today. I have asked Germans where they come from and they are VERY reluctant to tell me. Germany has a genocide complex. DUH.

Hum So torturing a german would be asking him about his heritage over and over again.

	10-01-2003 16:09									#26
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I'm confused by this. Surely the Germans have no jurisdiction over the events in New York, so does it really count as a 'criminal act' as far as the German courts are concerned? Is it enough that it is a 'criminal act' in another country?

If it does, would they prosecute someone for criticising Saddam Hussein, because surely that is a 'criminal act' in Iraq.....

	10-01-2003 16:27									#27
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Nice how you got your balls in a twist. The guy was, of course, acquitted.

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-08.01.03-001/

Someone's been crapping into the prosecutor's head to even push this. Well, at least he wised up during the trial and ended pleading for acquittal, too.

"Is it enough that it is a 'criminal act' in another country?If it does, would they prosecute someone for criticising Saddam Hussein, because surely that is a 'criminal act' in Iraq..... "

An act in another country that would constitute a crime under german law. So 9/11 yes, pissing off Hussy no.

	10-01-2003 17:22									#28
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I still think that it stinks this ever came up. the thing we've said here...

If any of you guys dare to notify the authorities of what goes on in here, remember: Ming is watching... And he knows where you live...

	10-01-2003 18:06									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten And Europeans still have the audacity to call the US a police state? ****ing hypocrites...

Despite prior attempts and current socio-economic diplomatic efforts via the EU, Germany != Europe.

	10-01-2003 18:13									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I disapprove of this, but if Germany is going to ban stuff like pro-nazi speech, it should also have the right to ban pro-Taliban speech.

quote: Don't forget that blood and human dismemberment is prohibited in video games in Germany. More of that 'glorification of a criminal act' business I suppose.

Sounds Facist to me.