09-01-2003 06:10									#1
	2670 BC (?) Pre-turn orders Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Thought I'd go ahead and make this thread since I had a request for Pamplona.

Pamplona should reach size 2 this turn, could the person who does the turn please check to see that it is working both cow bonuses.

Next turn, I will ask one to be changed to the forest tile to speedthe completion of the spearman, but this turn will not speed the date due to the current number of shields, so we might as well have the food for growth. On a side note, I understand Governor Arnelos is utilizing his shield-producing tiles instead of the wheat, you might make sure it doesn't switch back to the wheat on its own. I wouldn't want the game's antics slowing us down.

Other than that, if barbarians come out of the goody hut, save the slaves!

	09-01-2003 14:15									#2
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quote: [SIZE=1]Other than that, if barbarians come out of the goody hut, save the slaves!

I agree 100%

	09-01-2003 22:37									#3
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Save just arrived in my inbox.

I'm at work, as I usually am, but I have very little to do this morning so I'll be in the team chat room.

As soon as Dejon or Arnelos is available, we'll do the turn via chat.

--Togas

	09-01-2003 22:41									#4
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Orders:

warrior -> goodie hut. (have spearman cover Pamplona only if barbarians appear. If not, spearman EAST)

workers road when finished.

TEG -> South
Magyars -> South-east
Madrid -> West

change production of Madrid back to Settler.

check on production of Pamplona to make sure it's working both cows.

Take usual screen shots, etc.

--Togas

	09-01-2003 23:00									#5
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I wish I could get in the chat room from work - cortafuegos malditos! (damn firewalls)

Can hardly wait to see what happened with gh.

	09-01-2003 23:22									#6
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2670 BC Report

Most tantalizing bit first...
Pamplona Warrior moved W and popped Goodie Hut - and we got a new skilled (conscript) warrior

TEG moved S - nothing new
Madrid Expedition moved W - more ND border and some of their territory. They have spices (unconnected).
Magyar Warriors moved S - more coastline - looks like the southern tip of this continent. Whale tail visible on edge of Fog.
El Protector De Madrid (Madrid Spearman) moved E - headed back to Madrid

New warrior moved SW on mountain, uncovering more of cow valley - flood plains, desert

Madrid
Q changed to back to Settler

Pamplona
Grew to size 2
WF is on both cows

Slider remains the same at 90% - Writing in 20 turns

Military
Compared to ND we are average.
Compared to GoW and Lux we are strong.

World Map
Demographics
Madrid
Pamplona
Scores

	09-01-2003 23:39									#7
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Sure a free warrior is nice, but man, why couldn't we have gotten a settler, a city, or a tech.

Oh well, without it we are still in real good shape.

Viva España

	10-01-2003 00:53									#8
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Nice turn Señor Dejon

	10-01-2003 00:58									#9
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I noticed that the ND scout is near the Horses resource. If he uncovers it, perhaps ND will be tempted to settle there, preventing us to take it.
Can we trust ND not to settle to the south of the jungle ? Why not forming a "warriors wall" to protect our future border ?

	10-01-2003 01:17									#10
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quote: Originally posted by astrologix I noticed that the ND scout is near the Horses resource.

From looking at the last screenshot, something else I can tell about the scout is that they used our territory to speed up their scout's movement

This is a serious breach of etiquette IMO. I don't trust that they couldn't see the goodie hut anyway. For all we know they were going for it, and decided to use our land to get there.

They want to talk about confirmation of friendship after GoW told them we were trying to allign ourselves against ND; then, they go and do something like that. Yeah, yeah... I know they wouldn't have done it if they had had to wait a turn in our territory, but it doesn't make it any less wrong. Would we do this to them? If not, then we need to re-assess of the nature of our relationship with them.

	10-01-2003 01:18									#11
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If we switched Pampolona's current build from spearman to a Settler, how long will it take for it to be completed, with differnet WF assignments? THe Pampolna Screenshot isn't complete and I can't get a good feel for it's shields/build.

We need to get that settler to the Horse site ASAP.

E_T

	10-01-2003 01:25									#12
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quote: Originally posted by E_T If we switched Pampolona's current build from spearman to a Settler, how long will it take for it to be completed, with differnet WF assignments?

Señor Tamali, I'm at work right now. I am planning on running through some scenarioes this evening anyway and posting several options for how to manage Pamplona.

I hadn't planned to switch production to settler, but I will look at that as well and report back.

	10-01-2003 01:30									#13
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser From looking at the last screenshot, something else I can tell about the scout is that they used our territory to speed up their scout's movement

Yes, they obviously went W through Pamplona tile #1. However, if they had been after the hut, they would have continued on W. I suspect that they had intended to go W, W. But then upon seeing the hut, with our warrior right next to it, they swerved NW. They may have done this to avoid a possible barbarian release, or perhaps to send us a signal that they weren't after our hut, but were just exploring. I am not going to get my knickers in a knot that they moved through our land though - as long as they didn't end the turn in our land.

	10-01-2003 01:34									#14
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quote: Originally posted by E_T THe Pampolna Screenshot isn't complete and I can't get a good feel for it's shields/build.

Sorry, that image got cut off because I ran out of space on that web account. I've cleared a bit of room and re-transferred the file. I'll set up the web space of one of my other accounts for future screenshots, so it shouldn't happen again for awhile.

	10-01-2003 01:39									#15
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quote: Originally posted by dejon . I am not going to get my knickers in a knot that they moved through our land though - as long as they didn't end the turn in our land.

what's a knicker?

Where does it end though? Would you have problem with it if it was a 2-move military unit?

I don't know. I think it would have been far wiser and more respectful to consider how we felt and make a concerted effort to avoid upsetting us then to assume it wouldn't bother us.

I'll laugh about it when we are razing their capital though

	10-01-2003 01:48									#16
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser what's a knicker?

Um, try here, or here.

quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser Where does it end though? Would you have problem with it if it was a 2-move military unit?

Yes, that would perturb me a bit more.

	10-01-2003 02:26									#17
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quote: Originally posted by dejon Um, try here, or here.

I'm more of a boxer man, myself ... but I will save that discussion for its own thread.

	10-01-2003 03:16									#18
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Can someone tell me if the desert looking terrain that is due west of the Hutt Warrior (on the mountain) is a desert or a flood plain. Please, also verify that the tile that is NW of the same Warrior is also a flood plain. Also, is the tile that is at Pamplona #15 a desert of flood plain?

I need to know for the site placements update.

Eta Tamali

	10-01-2003 03:20									#19
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well, I don't know what Pamplona's #15 is, but if you are referring to the desert that is south of the forest that is southwest of Pamplona, it is a flood plain

Señor Dejon clued me into that; I thought it was just desert.

	10-01-2003 04:00									#20
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quote: Originally posted by E_T Can someone tell me if the desert looking terrain that is due west of the Hutt Warrior (on the mountain) is a desert or a flood plain. Please, also verify that the tile that is NW of the same Warrior is also a flood plain. Also, is the tile that is at Pamplona #15 a desert of flood plain? I need to know for the site placements update. Eta Tamali

Yes, yes, and yes. Those are all flood plains.

	10-01-2003 04:11									#21
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Thanks, don't want to place a city on them then.

Lilke your Avatar, Dijon

Eta Tamali

	10-01-2003 04:33									#22
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What tribe are the new warriors from? Did anyone notice?

Also, perhaps we should revise our plan and found the next city near the horse, or the city afterward? Perhaps Pamplona should build a settler?

	10-01-2003 04:59									#23
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quote: Originally posted by pikesfan What tribe are the new warriors from? Did anyone notice?

It was a Bulgar village. So I guess the new unit is the Bulgar Warriors.

	11-01-2003 03:39									#24
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At the behest of Lord Togas and Señor Tamali, here is an alternate painting of the world as we know it.

World Map (custom tileset)

	11-01-2003 03:53									#25
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Great, now I can tell the difference between Jungle & Forrest...

Eta Tamali

	11-01-2003 04:14									#26
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I just spotted something. See this post for the picture.

Eta Tamali

	11-01-2003 13:03									#27
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New turn is done.

--Togas