10-01-2003 16:12									#1
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North Korea today announced its withdrawal from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Pyongyang says the withdrawal is effective immediately, but can be suspended if the US agrees to resume oil shipments... (Big, fat chance of that happening now... )

At the same time Pyongyang says it has no intention of developing nuclear weapons, and pledges to limit its nuclear activities to "peaceful purposes."

Happy New Year, Uncle Kim.
I see your statements don't make any sense this year either...

Link to news story at CNN.com

	10-01-2003 16:16									#2
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The UN is going to be busy this year. It seems that every tyrant in the world is in the mood to challenge the international community...

	10-01-2003 17:05									#3
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Time to for SK's to get out their best lead underpants and hope for the best.

	10-01-2003 17:14									#4
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I saw amongst the more ridiculous North Korean progaganda claims about Kim Jong Il was that he made 11 holes in one in his first ever round of golf

	10-01-2003 17:37									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I saw amongst the more ridiculous North Korean progaganda claims about Kim Jong Il was that he made 11 holes in one in his first ever round of golf

Aaaaaargh!!!

One or two would have been pretty cool and might even be credible, but of course they had to make themselves look like a bunch of idiots...

Who do they think they're fooling anyway??

	10-01-2003 19:00									#6
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LMAO @ AH.

But getting back to the non-proliferation treaty, I mean its just balls. They've already restarted reactors and expelled UN observers, withdrawing from the treaty doesn't really mean an awful lot.

	10-01-2003 19:02									#7
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Diplomacy through brinksmanship. Yawn.


Good golf story AH.

	10-01-2003 19:13									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Guardian Aaaaaargh!!! One or two would have been pretty cool and might even be credible, but of course they had to make themselves look like a bunch of idiots... Who do they think they're fooling anyway??

Are you kidding me? Tiger Woods is nothing compared to Kim Jong Il!~

	10-01-2003 19:46									#9
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Well, knock me over with a feather! What a surprise !

	10-01-2003 19:49									#10
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So?? BFHD (bigfathairydeal) The US is the biggest proliferator of arms on the planet. The US pulled out of the ABM treaty. Israel hasn't even signed the treaty. And the US never signed the accord banning the us of chemical/biological weapons.

[stupid US rant]
OH BUT LOOK AT NORTH KOREA, THEY'RE BADDIES!
[/stupid US rant]

In the realm of global atrocities, North Korea has to do a lot more if it wants to catch up with the US.

	10-01-2003 19:58									#11
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Go show them the way.
Take your buddy David with you.

	10-01-2003 21:20									#12
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The US doesn't give two hoots about banning landmines either.

	10-01-2003 22:05									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger The US doesn't give two hoots about banning landmines either.

What does any of that have to do with North Korea pulling out of the NPT?

	11-01-2003 00:27									#14
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Yeah, let's remove the landmines near the DMZ. It'll make it that much easier for North Korea's armies to move through in a few years once we pull our troops and equipment out of (the soon to be former) South Korea.

Yep, the world would be 99 percent better off if it weren't for the jackass Yanks, huh?

Gatekeeper

	11-01-2003 00:29									#15
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Oh, and I'm quite sure that most of the planet will be blaming the United States for NK's latest actions by, oh, no later than 10 p.m. CST USA. After all, we incited them.

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	11-01-2003 00:30									#16
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Third time's the charm! America's an *evil* superpower! Take up the mantra! We're EVIL, we're EVIL, we're EVIL!!! **does the EVIL dance**

again

	11-01-2003 00:35									#17
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@The Evil Dance


It really doesn't matter at this point, as the U.S. has bigger fish to fry.

Timing is everything on this deal, and the timing for this could not be more convienent for the Saddam(izer).

	11-01-2003 00:41									#18
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North Koreans need Stuff- the more Stuff the better.

The more Stuff that North Koreans have, the more they'll realize just how appealing freedom is, and how much the propaganda they're being fed is exactly that.

Anymore isolation will just cause more chaos and produce another paranoid despot to take the place of the current one.

It's all about the Stuff.

	11-01-2003 01:00									#19
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I wonder if Greenpeace has an annoucement on this? Hopefully, they will condemn NK and urge all peace-loving non nuclear states to unite against NK.

(Wishful thinking, but is it possible?)

	11-01-2003 01:03									#20
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Hell, I've read that North Korea tells its peoples that the food they get from the outside world is "tribute" from other nations fearing NK's fury. You mean the people actually get some of that food? I thought it all went to their leaders and soldiers!

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	11-01-2003 01:33									#21
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lets see. an asian country that america recently stopped sending oil to is getting pissed...

who learned what from histroy now?

	11-01-2003 01:41									#22
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Frankly, I'm surprised that they signed the NPT in the first place. Am I the only one who is surprised at that?

	11-01-2003 02:02									#23
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Well, they signed the NPT in 1985, which was back when the Cold War was still a reality ... more than likely, they were given "suggestions" to do so by the former Soviet Union and/or maybe China. Then again, maybe not, as Cuba isn't part of the NPT (but does participate in a regional accord which seeks to keep Latin America free of nuclear weaponry).

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	11-01-2003 02:06									#24
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX lets see. an asian country that america recently stopped sending oil to is getting pissed... who learned what from histroy now?

That's okay, we've only got some troops in their reach. No more battleships

	11-01-2003 08:37									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper Yeah, let's remove the landmines near the DMZ. It'll make it that much easier for North Korea's armies to move through in a few years once we pull our troops and equipment out of (the soon to be former) South Korea. Yep, the world would be 99 percent better off if it weren't for the jackass Yanks, huh?

Are you frothing at the mouth? Stop it, or I need to give you rabies shots.

Tell me, what is responsible for more deaths annually, landmines or nuclear bombs?

	11-01-2003 09:06									#26
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UR:

Trust me, you haven't seen frothing at the mouth yet.

Now, back to the subject at hand: I'm talking about the landmines in Korea, not the general nebulous situation of using landmines at all.

Did that landmine treaty proposed by the United Nations contain exceptions for place such as the DMZ? Even if the United States had signed on to it and gleefully removed its mines from the South Korean side of the DMZ, would the North Koreans recipriocated? Hell, would they have even signed the UN treaty? And if they did sign the treaty, could they be trusted to actually remove their mines, or would they pull another fast one on the world, like they did by disregarding that 1994 agreement Jimmy Carter helped hammer out probably the moment he jetted out of NK territory?

After all, the mines in Korea still serve a key military purpose, and the maps of just where they're at are safely kept by the proper military authorities. Now, I don't have a problem expanding funding of mine-removal programs for places like Afghanistan, Cambodia and whatnot — after all, those are old battlefields that, in the perfect world, should've been cleaned up years ago. But I do have to question the wisdom of getting rid of mines near the DMZ in South Korea. Maybe once SK and NK are just plain Korea again, or when there's a full, formal peace treaty between the two nations. But not before then, just to satisfy some "feel good" directive from the UN. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, you know.

(And regarding Cuba ... I have to admit to some curiosity as to why we maintain a minefield around Guatamo Bay. Prior to the housing of al-Qaida terrorists and other prisoners there, there didn't seem to be a reason for keeping those mines. Really, was Cuba going to march across and occupy the U.S. naval base? Not unless they wanted to get occupied themselves shortly thereafter, especially since the end of the Cold War.)

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	11-01-2003 09:51									#27
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I'm confused as to how this recent problem with North Korea started. Is it all over US aid? Did Kim Il Jong begin talking about restarting his nuclear program before of after the cessation of US aid? When did US aid stop and why was it stopped?

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Did Kim Il Jong begin talking about restarting his nuclear program before of after the cessation of US aid?

Before. The program was restarted in the late 90's in violation of a bilateral (IIRC?) agreement they signed with us in the early 90's.

quote: 1)When did US aid stop and 2)why was it stopped?

1) November 2002. 2) It was suspended as a result collapse of the agreement with NK. Fuel oil and food shipment were part of that agreement. The Bush administration has continued with the food shipments.

	12-01-2003 00:29									#29
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I was looking on the Web for an announcement by Greenpeace regarding the current North Korean crisis. I found nothing. But what I did find was the last time North Korea threatened to withdraw from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty in the 1994, Greenpeace did issue an announcement. The announcement was -- surprise, surprise -- not about North Korea, but about South Korea. The announcement condemned South Korea's building of nuclear reactors that could produce plutonium. There is not keep not peep or protest about North Korea.

Now what this say about Greenpeace?

	12-01-2003 00:37									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Guardian Aaaaaargh!!! One or two would have been pretty cool and might even be credible, but of course they had to make themselves look like a bunch of idiots... Who do they think they're fooling anyway??

The North Koreans are so rock stupid that even the Chinese and Soviets laugh at them. During the Peublo captivity, several servicemen gave the Koreans the finger in a photo released to the world. The Koreans asked what the finger meant and the US servicemen said it was a goodwill gesture...