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The US did nothing! It joined the Non-intervention policy of the League of Nations and let Spain hang. The loss of the men was not our fault, it was yours for not carrying out the inspections and enforcing the treaty you signed in 1918. You were the ones who let Germany re-arm and fight and thanks to you the world lost millions. President Kennedy planned an invasion of North Vietnam long before there was any problems yet you chose to intervene. That does not give you the right to firebomb innocent civilians. You are the ones who still live in a segregated society, and you say the USSR tortures its civilians? You have racial discrimination, de jury in your south and de facto in your north and you say we are bad. Before China became the PRC, millions of Chinese died of malnurition, something that is almost gone now. Before the Warsaw Pact, Germany inflicited massive damage on Europe. We bore the brunt of their blow. Britain and France may have declared war in 1939, but they sat on their asses and let Hitler re-arm Germany. We tried to help Spain but we could not without aid. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was an attempt to buy time for us to prepare for the German invasion which we knew was inevitable. We fought the Germans since June 1940, while it took you until December of 1941 to be dragged into it and you say you declared war first? You have always cared about nothing but your own petty economic and strategic gains. Peoples lives in Latin America mean nothing to you and the world sees this.
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Iron Chancellor
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Hmm, not to throw gasoline on a fire, but...
Admit it, Stalin was very surprised by Hitler's attacks. It is well documented, though to give names would incriminate several of our sources. And what gives you the right to "purge" anyone? Really, if you are a worker's paradise, how can you force everyone to believe your ideas and punish them if they do not. As much as you would like, the KGB is not the Ministry of Love.
I wonder how many Muslims who cannot practice their religion and Lithuanians, Ukrainians, and Caucasions would say they feel tolerated by a regime that forces them to abandon traditions and their own religions and governments for atheistic socialism, stealing land that these people have farmed on their own for centuries.
Enough said, I do not wish to antagonize my new neighbor, but merely to point out some of his logical fallacies.
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EmuGod
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Was Ceteram the PRC because he's disappeared....
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Iron Chancellor
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yes, he was
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Iron Chancellor
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All in favor say aye!
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quote: Originally posted by Iron Chancellor
Hmm, not to throw gasoline on a fire, but...
Admit it, Stalin was very surprised by Hitler's attacks. It is well documented, though to give names would incriminate several of our sources. And what gives you the right to "purge" anyone? Really, if you are a worker's paradise, how can you force everyone to believe your ideas and punish them if they do not. As much as you would like, the KGB is not the Ministry of Love.
I wonder how many Muslims who cannot practice their religion and Lithuanians, Ukrainians, and Caucasions would say they feel tolerated by a regime that forces them to abandon traditions and their own religions and governments for atheistic socialism, stealing land that these people have farmed on their own for centuries.
Enough said, I do not wish to antagonize my new neighbor, but merely to point out some of his logical fallacies. |
What gave the Americans the right to push the natives off their homeland which was theirs for century and push them onto reserves and then starve them into submission? What gave the Americans the right to create a melting pot society where all the immigrants would blend into an American society where patriotism and being American comes before any other identity? How is that a paradise and the ideal country to live in?
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Iron Chancellor
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I'll let America answer that. But why are you defending nationalist sentiments? Should communism be a melting pot for all workers? ;-)
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Choke
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Ok, how about everyone shuts the hell up about Stalin and Indians, etc, ad nauseum and decides whether I can play the PRC or not! And if I AM the PRC then I promise to not engage in the sort of BS that has been flying around on this thread!
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Iron Chancellor
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I second that motion. Seeing as all other nations are present and accounted for, I blatantly have decided to be the voice of reason. Play the PRC turn so we can get on with our game.
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Iron Chancellor
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Wait, D--n it, Tanelorn hasn't played for the Mid-East. I'll PM him.
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Iron Chancellor
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Sorry, it's been a while...
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EmuGod
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You mean I have to ally with Choke???? This is going to be confusing, as he's NATO and I'm the USSR in the CFC Iron Curtain....
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Iron Chancellor
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I don't care how confusing it is as long as we actually get to play sometime.
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Choke
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Ok, I'm going to play China, post my turn in the next couple days as I need to talk to everyone and figure out what's going on.
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Choke
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Whoops...I thought I had posted my turn...
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Cease-fire in Vietnam continues, Premier Chou En-Lai seizes power, demands Anglo-American imperialists leave South Vietnam, South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong.
Attachment: china1965dec.zip
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At a high ranked summit meeting today, the Prime Minister of Australia and Executive Secretary of the South East Asia Treaty Organization, Robert Chancellor, announced:
"We will not yield to the Chinese demands. SEATO has stood for and will continue to stand for democracies in the Pacific Region. Should the Red Chinese military attempt to destroy the democratic governments located here, it will find the world arrayed against it."
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Choke
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China didn't demand anything of SEATO...and now it seems you've launched an attack so China and SEATO are at war.
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Iron Chancellor
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Read the last few pages...there's been a bit of an international incident between our nations stemming from the cease-fire in Vietnam.
For the record, your predecessor was the aggressor.
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Cuban paratroopers, unable to stand idly by as the Mexican airforce and navy destroy Haiti, paradropped into Santo Domingo this month. The USSR, backing up Cuba, wishes to assure the United States and NATO that this was purely a pecekeeping operation and that the battered city poses no threat to the United States of America. Several rebels continue to remain in the southwest of Haiti however they will not last long. If the United States still has concerns over Haiti, the Soviet Union will be happy to host a summit of negotiations for a permanent agreement to ensure the stabilization of that island.
The USSR also calls for continued negotiations in South East Asia. Our destroyer off the coast of Hainan is there to help in negotiations and to act asa buffer zone between the ships in the area. We request that the SEATO destroyer in Chinese waters withdraw in order to help diffuse the current situation.
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