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The ultimate threat of removal of team from the game, with all the embarrasement that would carry for the site involved.
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
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I agree with who-ever proposed that ALL the people wanting to get in should be subject to approval by the other members of the team.
As for people who would typically be lurkers on our site, it presents a real problem...
They've been good citizens. No, they haven't posted a lot, but they've contributed to the nation by voting in polls (or at least many of them have). As good and ultimately loyal citizens, they really SHOULD be part of the inter-site game. The problem is that few of us can tell the difference between these "loyal lurkers" and those that would simply be spies.
The answer, I would think, would be similar to the answer reached in the inter-team PTW game that we're currently running here at Apolyton.
All of the teams agreed that they would not tollerate the existence of spies reporting to them on what was happening on other teams. All teams agreed that we would abide by an honors code and that we would police our own members in following that honors code.
So far (at least to my knowledge...), that honors code has worked. If the inter-team demogame is supposed to be a practice to learn things about the inter-site game, then lets go ahead and apply some leasons already learned.
If the teams and especially their leaderships can be trusted to police their own members in regard to not spying on other teams and refusing to utilize anything gained by cheating (such as the re-load bug), then we don't need to worry as much about individual people who may try to join more than one team. We will tell people that it is illegal, against the rules of the game, and if they are found out, they will be banned from ALL teams. That said, however, ultimately what will remove the INCENTIVE for people to cheat is for the teams to agree they won't use anything gained from cheating even if it takes place (and to honor that commitment).
If the other sites will agree to that and we believe we can trust them at their word on that (and we're willing to keep our word on it as well), that may be the best we can do...
Then we don't have to go through this whole idiocy of trying to exclude many of our loyal population who just don't have high postcounts.
It's not a perfect solution, but I don't believe one exists.
EDIT: typos
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E_T
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I agree with Arnelos, going by post counts is not the way to decide on this. When I started the SPDG, I only had about 150 Posts to my name. After becoming a member of the DG & being in the Goverment for 3+ terms, I'm now over 1500 Posts (10 times).
As a lot of you know, I have made a LOT of Contributions to the SPDG, which I would not have been able to, if that game had a post limit to try to join. We need to just hope for the best.
Remember, the same could also apply the other way around, i.e. some of us spying on them. While I'm not stating that some of us would, there is always that possibility. As long as we keep OURSELVES as honorable players, I don't really think that we should continue to consern ourselves with what somebody else might do. IF someone does go and Spy on us, we'll still be able to kick there A**es...
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kentonio
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Hi nye. Last I heard is that they did in fact have a team - although they weren't sure they could get a closed forum. Which would make it - er - difficult, to play effectively as a team. |
Looks like we (CDG) are going to be providing the forums for the CFC team.
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
Nov 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Arnelos
I agree with who-ever proposed that ALL the people wanting to get in should be subject to approval by the other members of the team.
As for people who would typically be lurkers on our site, it presents a real problem...
They've been good citizens. No, they haven't posted a lot, but they've contributed to the nation by voting in polls (or at least many of them have). As good and ultimately loyal citizens, they really SHOULD be part of the inter-site game. The problem is that few of us can tell the difference between these "loyal lurkers" and those that would simply be spies.
The answer, I would think, would be similar to the answer reached in the inter-team PTW game that we're currently running here at Apolyton.
All of the teams agreed that they would not tollerate the existence of spies reporting to them on what was happening on other teams. All teams agreed that we would abide by an honors code and that we would police our own members in following that honors code.
So far (at least to my knowledge...), that honors code has worked. If the inter-team demogame is supposed to be a practice to learn things about the inter-site game, then lets go ahead and apply some leasons already learned.
If the teams and especially their leaderships can be trusted to police their own members in regard to not spying on other teams and refusing to utilize anything gained by cheating (such as the re-load bug), then we don't need to worry as much about individual people who may try to join more than one team. We will tell people that it is illegal, against the rules of the game, and if they are found out, they will be banned from ALL teams. That said, however, ultimately what will remove the INCENTIVE for people to cheat is for the teams to agree they won't use anything gained from cheating even if it takes place (and to honor that commitment).
If the other sites will agree to that and we believe we can trust them at their word on that (and we're willing to keep our word on it as well), that may be the best we can do...
Then we don't have to go through this whole idiocy of trying to exclude many of our loyal population who just don't have high postcounts.
It's not a perfect solution, but I don't believe one exists.
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Well obviously I don't have a monopoly on Presidential speeches that sum up the matter very nicely.  Ace post, Arn.
If there are Democracy games going around the other forums, I think that we can expect equivalents of many of us to be in these forums, and they will be dedicated enough to realise that cheating is just a waste of everyone's time. Civ players are not the sort to type IDDQD and race through the level to see the fireworks at the end. If you were, you have seen the end by now and are either inactive or playing the game for the sake of playing the game. This mindset has bred us - we're not going to cheat, Apolyton's reputation isn't as important as having fun. I think we can expect the exact same attitude from any Civ player serious enough to play an intersite game, and for any who violate that, these people will not be the leaders and the main players, they are the lurking 13 year olds without the maturity to play Civ for what it is, and they will have their little indecency condemned by the rest.
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pikesfan
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I would be interested in joining, but I would only be voting and sometimes posting. I could not take any executive rôle due to lack of time in RL and also too slow an Internet connection.
I am a member of the 1BC Civ3 Democracy game (joined before the Roleplay team came into being), but all I do now in that is vote. I will not join the 1BC PTW intersite game.
At any rate, I would just like to know what is going on and hope that someone posts updates.
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24-01-2003 08:14
). I hereby swear not to use it in any way to cheat, spy or do any harm to the CFC demo team. I don't have and I won't create any other logins on the other civ sites, for the purpose of cheating in the Interciv Demogame.
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