12-01-2003 23:34									#1
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The largest problem we have with the CtPDG is the smallish size of our community. We're not in the league of Civ III community size, if you know what I mean.

Also, every democracy game has a president (who physically plays the turn) and ministers (who give polls to the people and recommend what the president should do)

This thread should be used for discussing what ministers we havem and how many (which I hope is a small-ish number)

Go nuts.

	13-01-2003 00:10									#2
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I am announcing my desire to run for a minister position. When we figure out what positions there will be, I will chose which one I wish to run for.

Please send campaign contrabutions to this forums
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	13-01-2003 00:20									#3
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Oh BRIBERY!!!

Personally, I think 3 or 4 ministers is the way to go

	13-01-2003 00:35									#4
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Agreed. I'm editing one of my CtP2 proposal for CtP1 right now Will post it soon...

	13-01-2003 01:01									#5
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Thanks much Loc...

Would you mind if I stole the CtP2DG FAQ which was stolen from the ACDG and the CivIII DG

	13-01-2003 01:32									#6
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Here's a rough draft. Much discussion is needed, I will probably have a few improvements of my own, but it's a basis to start discussions from...



President/Grand Apolyton
- The only person who actually physically plays the game
- Distributes the savegames
- Organizes turnchats and communiticates with the members in other ways
- Organizes new elections
- In charge of in-game 'government affairs' (government type, location of the capital)
- Naming of cities
- Has the decisive vote in case no decision can be reached on certain issues (maybe a right to veto certain decisions?)

Minister of Domestic Affairs
- Responsible for City Management
- Sets Domestic Policies (Worday, Rations, Science, etc)
- Controls the Imperial Expansion agenda (where to found new cities, what to do with conquered cities)
- Conducts diplomacy with other Empires

Minister of Infrastructure
- Responsible for Infrastructure (PW)
- Determines what advances to research
- Responsible for all (national and international) Emperial Trade

Supreme Commander
- In charge of Army, Navy and Airforce (as well as all unconvential units)



Do we need a Court?

	13-01-2003 01:33									#7
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quote: Would you mind if I stole the CtP2DG FAQ which was stolen from the ACDG and the CivIII DG

No, of course not. I was actually considering to post it here myself, but I'll leave it to you then...

	13-01-2003 01:38									#8
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Thanks much Locutus, a real help

Yes, a judiciary is needed, but we can leave that until we get the other hopeful citizens here.

I'll draft the FAQ now.

	13-01-2003 09:42									#9
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I also wish to run for a positon but theres no bribs sorry

	13-01-2003 09:45									#10
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Keep the nominations until the appropriate time First lets work out what positions there are

	13-01-2003 10:25									#11
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ooh, would it be a conflict of interest to be a part of three governments at once?

Of course we need a court. I like locutus' suggestions, except that the pres shouldn't have to post elections. just playing the game and managing his cabinet is hard enough. let the court do elections. I also say give the president mod powers(topping, locking, etc)

	14-01-2003 01:47									#12
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I think enough discussion has been placed on the map. Now it should be time for the ministers and such. Unless there is a change to the above mentioned ministery positions, I nominate myself for the Minister of Domestic Affairs.

	14-01-2003 02:06									#13
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I second Nimrod's nomination.

I nominate myself for Minister of War.

	14-01-2003 02:37									#14
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Hmm, I have the feeling formulating the Constitution could be a really fast process for this game

quote: Originally posted by H Tower I like locutus' suggestions, except that the pres shouldn't have to post elections. just playing the game and managing his cabinet is hard enough. let the court do elections.

This was on the assumption that there would not be a Court. If there is, I agree the Court should do elections, obviously...

	14-01-2003 03:00									#15
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Those 4 positions seem to be the way to go, IMO.

Well, I suppose we could begin a poll sonn

	14-01-2003 03:01									#16
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Locutus, why wouldn't we have a court?

Hasn't the CtP2DG shown its needed

	14-01-2003 03:09									#17
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Because we would have difficulties filling all the positions?

For the first elections in the CtP2DG we had only 9 people willing to run for 8 positions and the CtP2DG has a lot more members than we do. Merely going by statistics, you'd expect 6 or 7 people to be willing to run for an official position for this game. And with a Court of 3 members and 4 ministers, filling all positions every month could prove challenging...

	14-01-2003 03:15									#18
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We need a court. I heartily approve of Locutus' plan, except I'm a little concerned that the Domestic Minister has the duties of a Foreign Minister.

	14-01-2003 03:32									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Thud Because we would have difficulties filling all the positions?

Actual I agree with Frozzy and Thud that we need a court, therefore I would rather and it needs also three members to garnt its neutrality and to make shure that it is not biased. Therefore we have to reduce the number of government positions on the other side on the side of the Ministers. Later in the game when we amount of work will increase and our comunity is bigger hopefully then can we still add some Ministers.

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	14-01-2003 07:22									#20
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From the CTP2DG I think we did some mistakes due to the lack of experience now that i am more mature in this kinds of games. I even think the number of Positions may have to drop from 8 to less since for the second consecutive election we are having problem filling all the positions.
I believe you guys should stick to 4 positions and an unique judge who shall post polls for the cases that passed through his avaliation. Although some people are tully having fun as judges in our DG.

Last edited by Pedrunn on 14-01-2003 at 07:29

	14-01-2003 07:30									#21
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I have an idea:

PRESIDENT
MINISTER OF DOMESTIC AFFAIRS
MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE
MINISTER OF DEFENCE
JUDGE

Why a single judge? Simple:

• Less ministerial/judge positions
  
• He gets his evidence from the people, no need for more judges
  
• Lets be honest... around 2-3 cases a month?
  
• He can make his own recommendations, which must be unbiased and fair (otherwise risk credibility)
  

	14-01-2003 07:56									#22
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hmmm, interesting idea. and it would be a truly powerful position. unique among all the democracy games.

	14-01-2003 08:05									#23
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Hey, I don't have the game, but I'm considering being a judge

Hey, dude, I cant be the judge tho...or i dunno

But I'm joining the game and wanting to be a judge, that is, until the ctp-dg constitution becomes to beuarocratic--baeurarocratic--beaurocratic--i think that's it--okay?

I can't be a judge under beauracot-forget it-conditions like teh civ3dg (civ3dg is great, but not if u're a gov.t dude)

(frozzy, u can convince anyone to do anything :P )

	14-01-2003 08:16									#24
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have you seen the CtP2 DG constitution? the one for this game will probably be just as complicated

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Mitch! I hereby persuade you to join the CtPDG civgroup!

	14-01-2003 20:25									#26
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Ok, here goes.
I think the Minister of Domestic affairs should
also control the infrastructure, however I think
there should be a Minster of foreign affairs who
conducts diplomacy AND ALL TRADE. Also, any
judiciary should comprise 3 judges, with one
being the chief justice with the responsibility for
organizing elections and whatever else they do.
If elections are held monthly, then a judicial
position should be held for 3 months, with 1
judge elected every month and the senior
judge holding the position of chief justice,
for one month, at the end of thier 3 month
term as a judge.

	14-01-2003 21:25									#27
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quote: Originally posted by lunger75 Ok, here goes. I think the Minister of Domestic affairs should also control the infrastructure, however I think there should be a Minster of foreign affairs who conducts diplomacy AND ALL TRADE.

2 months ago I would have agreed with you but the problem is that managing the cities and controling the infrastructure (PW) are both a lot of work. Combining them in one function would give the Domestic Minister more work than he can handle while the Foreign Minister wouldn't have much to do at all (diplomacy and trade doesn't involve more than posting a few simple polls every now and then).
So IMHO it's important to seperate city management from PW management, and to keep the government small I think it may be best to divide the tasks of the Foreign Minister between other cabinet members...

quote: Also, any judiciary should comprise 3 judges, with one being the chief justice with the responsibility for organizing elections and whatever else they do. If elections are held monthly, then a judicial position should be held for 3 months, with 1 judge elected every month and the senior judge holding the position of chief justice, for one month, at the end of thier 3 month term as a judge.

I couldn't agree more here

	15-01-2003 03:37									#28
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lunger: excellent idea on the judicialityness

	15-01-2003 03:45									#29
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Okay, Second discussion topic...

Length of terms.

My opinion: Term begins on the 1st of each month. Elections begin 3 days before the end of the month, Term re-begins 1st of the month.

Any other ideas?

	15-01-2003 03:45									#30
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not exactly a new idea though. check the CtP2 game.