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President for Term 8
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| Aggie |
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11 |
22.45% |
| Arnelos |
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19 |
38.78% |
| Aro |
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19 |
38.78% |
| Abstain/Banana |
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0 |
0% |
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49 voters |
100% |
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:25
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If you still care about this game, vote for Arnelos. At this point, it's really that simple.
If you need this illustrated, however, it might be helpful to outline what each candidate in this race has said in the nomination thread regarding their original intentions behind running for office...
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GodKing started the idea of the President being the dictator in this next election with...
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Originally posted by GodKing
I would be willing to do so and be prez if, and only if, nobody else wants to do it.
If I am it, there will be NO turnchats.
If I am it, any missing minister orders I will make judgements, and issue either my own or halt the game.
I will, in essance, be a petty dictator, doing what I want, how I want, when I want, and so forth. That doesn't mean I will intentionally brake any laws or violate the reasoning behind having the demo-game. It just means that I will run it like a person who isn't going to put up with a lot of crap.
If I have a VP who is willing, they will be more than welcome to play the game as a chat every now and then.
Because of how I know I will run this, I strongly advise someone else to run. I would much rather stay a justice for this month.
GK
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Aggie, jumping on the idea of being "dictator", posting the following...
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Originally posted by Aggie
If no one else wants to be prez, I would consider it, but it would be much the same araingement GK mentioned, except we would have about 1 turnchat a week on the weekends. but during the week we would have a turnthread. Gernerally it would be in the form of a continually moving turn. I'd play when I could a turn post the results and then would do the next turn after input(particularly for the SMC, since the other orders could be done ahead of time).
Aggie
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A page or so later, the first post by Aro...
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Originally posted by Aro
As a matter of fact, no one is running for Prez right now. Panag didn't accepted yet, the same with Arnelos and Aggie.
If this continues, I'll run for the office myself! It's a menace!
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Then, Aro posted again:
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Originally posted by Aro
Hehe... As everybody here knows, I'm just kidding. Do you have any idea about how much time a normal turnchat (2~6 hours) could last in my hands? Figure this: I'll be reading the orders in English, translating in my head, thinking in Portuguese, translating, talking with you guys in English, rinse, repeat... sloooowly! 4~10 hours, at a conservative estimate! All this supposing I’ll not do many mistakes…
If I run, Banana will wins. I’ll be ashamed forever.
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To remove confusion, and my understanding of the complete lack of any remotely serious candidates:
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Originally posted by Arnelos
I am hereby running for President
I have already begun my checking for Vice Presidential candidates and Domestic Minister candidates (one of each at this point). If I can get someone to run for Domestic Minister, I'll do it.
As for other things, I have no problem with Shiber as FAM (I've been trying to get him to run for something for 3 terms now  ) or even Meshelic as SMC (though we'll have to watch him closely ).
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Aro, as a jest to provoke panag, suggested that he could run with panag...
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Originally posted by Aro
Panag, do you want to run? If so, I'll run too! Just for fun... and to give Arnelos some fight.  
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After two cryptic panag posts, Aro decided to throw his hat in...
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Originally posted by Aro
Well... Boys, put our names in the hat! We (Panag and me) are in the race for the presidency!
Man, I hope I can get at least two electors: Arnelos and me. 
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Then, Aggie tentatively announced he might be running...
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Originally posted by Aggie
Tentatively I announce my candidacy for president, its been awhile since we had a contested presidential election and I couldn't ask for anymore excellent opponents.
Aggie
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So, to tally up...
1. The basis of Aro's candidacy is a joke (he stated himself on multiple occassions that his candidacy was not serious) rather than a serious bid for the position.
2. The basis of Aggie's candidacy is GodKing's suggestion that the President need not hold turnchats and that the President might as well just act as the petty dictator of the whole nation rather than being swayed by popular sentiment or potentially annoying legalities. If anyone else were running, we might assume this was just a joke as well. But given that the only reason this guy WASN'T impeached for violating the law last term was that he was already leaving office, we have to take this a little more seriously.
3. The basis of Arnelos' candidacy is really a reaction to the two of the above and a vote to keep the democracy in the democracy game. (1) I'm actually serious about running, (2) I've said I'll actually fill the job description, and, by far most importantly, (3) I've made it clear through both word and action that I have a respect for this democracy.
So, if you still care about this democracy game (I know there are still some of you out there!), vote for me. If not, my opponents seem to be offering enough alternatives to suit your tastes.
I may not enjoy running 6-hour turnchats, but at least I still care enough to do the job right.
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Aro
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Ipanema
Jul 2002
time: 02:25
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Originally posted by Arnelos
...So, to tally up...
1. The basis of Aro's candidacy is a joke (he stated himself on multiple occassions that his candidacy was not serious) rather than a serious bid for the position.
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...I may not enjoy running 6-hour turnchats, but at least I still care enough to do the job right. |
The fact is, the basis of all we're doing here it's a joke (just try to explain all that Apolytonian stuff to your wife, or girlfriend, family, boss, roommates, friends... The answer will be "are you kidding me?" in most cases... ). And fun. Even so, we still care enough to do the job right...
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Originally posted by Meshelic
...You've got Arnelos, politician extraordinare...
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You're definitely right, Mesh!
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Meshelic
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Bringer of Peace, Destroyer of Worlds
Sep 2002
time: 21:25
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[RP]
I ask the members of the Senate to consider a few things.
That A) We are still at war. We have only conquered half of Germany, and are facing an entrenched enemy, our initiative and surprise gone. The Romans still remain in the west, the Chinese and Zulus on the other side of the world, still our enemies and attacking our allies.
Who would you prefer as President during the final stages of our offensives in this world war? Arnelos, whose peaceful opposition to war has been longstanding? How are you to know that his peaceful tendencies won't compromise our victorious position? How are we to know he won't hold back our more aggressive ministers, namely Meshelic and Shiber, from accomplishing their objectives for which they have garnered much support?
Or would you rather have Aggie, who has led our military forces time and time again throughout many successful wars? A leader so renown that we've erected a glorious monument in his honor! What a disgraceful end should he be defeated by a civilian! 
Vote Aggie if you wish to see the DIA focus more on what they're good at: building our cities. Vote Aggie if you wish to see our enemies vanquished jointly by a President who allows his Minister of War complete freedom in carrying out his objectives, who supports a Foreign Minister who will keep our nation economically strong and our enemies at bay!
Vote Aggie if you wish to see the glory of Apolytonia achieved!
[end RP]
(purely politics Arnelos, you understand)
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Aggie
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Of GOW's half of BOB
Jun 2002
time: 23:25
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Up to now I have ignored the half truths and distortions of Arnlelos. I was hoping that whatever rl event that upset him would pass and he would apologize, but this hasn't occured. I have decided honor demands I respond. If you look at his post you would think I am a person who never plays by the rules and does only what he wants. We all know this is untrue. Everything I have done in this game has been to help the nation. Not ONCE did I ever go against the will of the people. Always I have been guided by their desires. For example earlier this week, when we were bogged down in the GL issue, I looked at the constitution closely and decided it did allow for "senate chats". So I pushed this idea and soon others took up the call and it was done. I did this because we all know the greatest enemy of this game isn't other civs, it is people losing interest. He would call this not playing by the rules, I call it looking for a solution to a problem. Yet for 2 days after the chat he did NOTHING, and hid behind a"waiting for a judicial review" excuse. There was no legal challenge to the chat, yet the will of the people was thwarted. In theory this is an impeachable offense. In the very least he did not perform the duties of a leader and try to get a solution. All who know me know that I do try to get solutions, some through the forums, some through chats and other times through pm's. You all know that I listen and try to find a way that as many people as possible will be satisfied. Now I ask you who has done the greater wrong, one who does something that is common sense(as I did with the MPP against rome) or one who actively goes against the will of the people. Let me assure you that I will always obey the people, as I have always done. I think it is unfortunate that a president will go to such lengths of character assasination to keep his job and I hope you the people will send him a clear message that this is unacceptable.
Thank You
Aggie
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13-01-2003 07:52
Sorry!
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