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Pekka is offline Pekka
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Happy ending? Man go and see the movie. I think it's not that happy ending. It has nothing happy in it, absolutely nothing. Only misery. Realistic misery and pain. It's a powerful movie.

edit: yeah, I've also seen it. It's 'Behind Enemy Lines'. It's decent entertainment, but it has no real value. Fantasy movie . But nice entertainent for a rainy day, just shouldn't be taken too seriously.

I don't know if this movie, Savior, shows the people and the situation correctly like it really was, but it's still good, if facts little bit forgotten. I'm telling you, if you're interested about the war in Balkans, or war in general, you really should check it out.

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What do you think long peace time makes to a man here? They go crazy!


crazy is a mild word

I found info on finnish special foces training. 2 MB download but it was woth it. I am terrified beyond belief!

its here: http://taat.fi/taat/porrasturvat

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Ok, I wont threadjack any more, I said what I think.

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Oh that .. aargh . You're a bad person for giving that link

Anyway, I still keep telling you about the movie, see it. It has no 'funny moments', no jokes, nothing. Just horror, but not like chopping heads horror, mostly pain and horror of everyone in there. It's not about what happens in the war, or how things go in the war, you don't even get a clue if you see only that movie. It's emotional movie, and left me sad afterwards.

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About the idea of letting foreigners join the regular US army?

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Damn it, tell me what you think of my model!

Now I pretty much know that Ned and DinoDoc might be in favor of it, it the model proves to be safe for national security. Kramerman is also in favor, if it works and does not have bad faults in it. John Miller thinks it's ok, I'm not sure about VetLegion.
Jaakko is not so much in favor of it, but sees some logic in it. Now, we have almost 100 replies and over 300 views, let us hear what YOU think.

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Now, I'm gonna bump this thread until you guys participate

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Yeah, it's time to bring this one back to life again!
I was filled with joy and good vibes when I saw Drakes thread, unfortunately it was closed.. I guess this is the thread to continue discussing this matter.

Now, this is a great idea. Of course it is. I do not agree that this will attract mercs too much, as most of them don't want to do binding long contracts, and they are not making much money either in this American Foregin Legion. THat's for sure.

Also the terrorists infaltrating is not so big threat, or bigger than it now is. First of all candidates go through screening, checking from interpol etc. Just like in FFL. You can compare every cndidate with your own terrorist suspect databases etc. Or build one if there is not one yet. The benefits are greater than the bad sides.

Also, they don't have any way to communicate with outside world, but maybe letters, they should be all written in english and checked, so that no terrorist messages go through. They would be also separated, so they can't do much recon, and destroying stuff, getting vital information and spying. All they can do is to try and harm their serving mates, and that's not too big threat. Even the terrorists would be too tired to try that.

Also, as the situation is now, the terrorist can infaltrate the US quite easily, and it's more beneficial for them to stay in civilian population, not go through screenings, being able to communicate better and follow though plans, make more destruction in civilian side. Or then attack military bases in the US soil, but not from inside. You can't do much damage if the system is implemented carefully and these things considered.

This NYTimes article was only readers letter? Damn, I was hoping it would be official. As I've said many times before, this idea is too good to be passed.

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Damn you! It was going nice, until Ming closed the other thread.. where are you lurking now... come back!

This thing needs some forcing, I think if we gather like 10 000 US citizen and start raising our voice, it's gotta be heard! If you are not for this, you are with the terrorists, since you don't want the US to have all the needs available. Think about it!

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Just go fight in the UFC and bring in the big bucks, you silly you. After Tony Halme's abysmal performance I'm ashamed to be a Finn.

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Yeah, his performance was not.. something one would want
Besides, I have no wish to fight in UFC, I wish to fight in the US army against dirty terrorist and threats to the free world with my US buddies. That's about it. I wouldn't mind that citizenship neither, or educational benefits. But at the end.. I'd do it for free.

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Hey Jaakko we have lots of MMA threads, bring them back alive, and keep to the topic please .

And you other people come back before I drag you here by force!

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I just had to get that off my chest and dissuade you from your silly dreams of foreign legions.

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Yeah, it was a legendary moment to every Finn I bet.

Silly dreams of foreign legions? Man, you have to dissuade yourself from silly dreams of world peace and justice for all.

World is divided into different 'sections', cultural differencies and histories, always has been, always will be, and everyone is after the rich kid, and the rich kid happens to stand for freedom. Now, these other guys? I don't think so. This King Ill Kong is not about peace or freedom. I'd rather fight him than through flowers and drink red wine while thinking how great the communist system is. To the back of the sauna.

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bumping for myself.

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TUZLA AIR BASE, Bosnia-Herzigovina, (AFNS) -- Getting processed through the French Foreign Legion's equivalent of a military entrance station while on a rest and recuperation break isn't what most people have on their itinerary.

However, Staff Sgt. Scott Edwards -- attaining a goal that he set about 10 years ago -- started to do just that a couple of weeks ago in France.

His goal wasn't to enlist in the French Foreign Legion, but rather to become a member of the American Legion, Post No. 1. But, a large language barrier left him sitting down in front of a huge plate of clams instead, having his bag rifled through, and enlistment paperwork initiated.

Edwards started his journey after a train ride from Ramstein Air Base, Germany, to Paris. The heavy equipment operator from Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., said it has always been his goal to become a member of the American Legion, but it had to be Post No. 1.

"This means a lot to me," he said while holding his membership card. "It carries a certain amount of prestige."

Edwards said he has a step-uncle who spent 25 years in the Army and also holds a card proclaiming his membership to the original post. Seeing that, "It just stuck in my head," he said.

While the thought was in his mind, he didn't follow through until recently.

"I should have joined 10 years ago," he said, speaking of his 1984 to '88 assignment to Sembach AB, Germany,. But, he said he never got serious about becoming a member. "Shoulda', coulda', woulda'," he said of his procrastination.

His dawdling turned to motivation when he thought about taking a rest and recuperation, or R and R, break in Europe.

"I didn't even know we were eligible for R and R when I got here," said Edwards, who has been at Tuzla for almost three months.

Edwards didn't ride the rails on the fly; however, with all of his planning, he wasn't able to locate the address or phone number for the American Legion there. So, American Legion magazine in hand, he hit the streets of Paris. A few hours into his search, Edwards struck fool's gold. After a cabbie dropped him off near a building that sported the sign, "Legion, 200 meters," he thought he hit the real thing.

But that wasn't the case.

What appeared to be an efficient operation in helping potential members was actually the beginning process of entering the French Foreign Legion.

He said they looked through his bag, took his identification card and asked him to take a seat. About 40 minutes later, he was taken to another building and fed lunch -- "a heaping plate of cooked clams and fries." Edwards said he went with the flow because nobody spoke English, and once, again, they looked like they knew what they were doing.

After they ate, they went to another building and waited about a half-hour. Edwards was called out of the crowd, and the French Foreign Legion's mistake came to light. The man who called Edwards out of the crowd, Sgt. Frank Dempsey, spent more than a half-hour speaking three different languages, before getting the address to the American Legion.

After more than four hours, Edwards was on his way. Dempsey even insisted that his driver take Edwards to the American Legion.

"I tried to pay (Dempsey)," said Edwards, "but all he wanted was a postcard from Tuzla."

Finally, Edwards made it to the American Legion.

"They welcomed me with open arms," he said. He got the grand tour and the coveted membership card. He also walked away with the names and phone numbers of people who can help other potential members of Post No. 1.

While he didn't think it would be an easy feat getting the card, he didn't think it would be that difficult. However, "I was going to find this, come hell or high water," he said with a smile.

Anyone else who wants to become a member of Post No. 1 can contact Edwards at Tuzla by calling DSN 314-762-8044. Or, you can wait until you get to Paris and look it up in the phone book. A hint: It's listed under the "T's," for The American Legion.




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Pekka, what was the problem with you immigrating to the US, i forgot?

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Kramerman, Errr.. .... .. I forgot too

Well basically I still don't have a higher education degree, and therefore no occupation.. I'm still looking into going to University in there, but I'm having lots of problems finding enough sponsoring. I've been working that one out for so long I think I should give up, because it's not going anywhere.

Also, I think immigrating is not that easy? I'm pretty much broke as hell, I don't have a home there or money to get one, I don't have a green card to work for it, and I don't have that damn degree that would help me maybe get one. It's pretty much a mess. But don't take me wrong, that's my goal. I could join the army if I was permanent resident, but all those would require green cards and all that. If there are immigration workers here, I have something for you.. lots of dead presidents.. how does that sound?

So problem is I think I need a green card at first to put things going forward.. or maybe I could get myself under other status, like if I was persecuted for being white.. .
One is always to marry American girl, but you know.. I'm doing my best I just can't keep this dream alive forever, I'm about to hit 60 some day and I have to get some action some day. I really wouldn't want to go to FFL, but that's always my last option. What a difference, to become American, or French..

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Well basically I still don't have a higher education degree, and therefore no occupation.. I'm still looking into going to University in there, but I'm having lots of problems finding enough sponsoring. I've been working that one out for so long I think I should give up, because it's not going anywhere.

Also, I think immigrating is not that easy? I'm pretty much broke as hell, I don't have a home there or money to get one, I don't have a green card to work for it, and I don't have that damn degree that would help me maybe get one. It's pretty much a mess. But don't take me wrong, that's my goal. I could join the army if I was permanent resident, but all those would require green cards and all that. If there are immigration workers here, I have something for you.. lots of dead presidents.. how does that sound?

So problem is I think I need a green card at first to put things going forward.. or maybe I could get myself under other status, like if I was persecuted for being white.. .
One is always to marry American girl, but you know.. I'm doing my best I just can't keep this dream alive forever, I'm about to hit 60 some day and I have to get some action some day. I really wouldn't want to go to FFL, but that's always my last option. What a difference, to become American, or French..


hi ,

Pekka , join the French Foreign Legion or come over to Israel , ...... two places where you are welcome and you dont have to worry anymore about red cards , yellow cards , orange cards , green cards , etc , .....
two places where you get food , no matter if you have money or not , .....

so if you want action , .........

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Israel takes volunteers too? I'm not Jewish?

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hi ,

yep , ..... you dont have to be Jewish , ......

there are plenty of volunteer jobs in Israel , .....

actually what exactly is it that you are looking for , .......

huh , btw , they are still looking for de-miners in most parts of the world , ..... from bosnia to vietnam , from south to notrh africa , from central america to south america , .......

the UN has a wide range of jobs , going from X to Y , ....

have a nice day

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I guess it's time to bring this baby back to life again!

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As a late response to Panag, I don't know much about mining.. I can put mines but that's it. I checked the UN jobs, but in most of the cases you need higher education degree (working on that one, going to entrance exams soon!), plus they don't let me fight.

So there was some discussion over this in other thread, so I decided to once again bump this one.

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As a late response to Panag, I don't know much about mining.. I can put mines but that's it. I checked the UN jobs, but in most of the cases you need higher education degree (working on that one, going to entrance exams soon!), plus they don't let me fight.

So there was some discussion over this in other thread, so I decided to once again bump this one.


hi ,

nah , dont worry , they will teach ya , .....

if ya want to do a UN job on the lower level , try your local country rep from the UN , or try the UN office in Brussels , belgium , .....

vienna needs low education jobs all the time ( UN )

or you can try a local UN field office in a former war zone , .....

but your best bet would 9 out of 10 be the french foreign legion or Israel

have a nice day

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