17-01-2003 04:17									#1
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quote: The Big Little Ice Age - by St. Leo - Third Place I absolutely love this scenario and would immediately consider it for first place - IF - it wasn`t so imbalanced. As noted the the ReadMe, the Hapsburgs are a NPC civ and not mean`t to be played. Their power at the start of the game is utterly overwhelming, and within a few game years they immediately amass enough power to wipe everyone else off the map. Otherwise, the scenario is very well done and much fun to play. While not directly PBEMable, it is an indirectly nice game because it presents a situation where players may take the lesser powers and "gang up" on the Hapsburgs. Only through this method can they [the Hapsburgs] be defeated. This is interesting because it truely limits to game to the PBEM scenario sector. While not as good as Imperial Ambition, nonetheless a worthy scenario.

It's time to PBEM the scenario that wowed the SDC judges and managed to get the Second Last Place in the contest.

Valois: FiGu
Tudors: mordhiem
Jagiellonians: conmcb25
Ottomans: MagyarCrusader

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	17-01-2003 05:14									#2
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Lwow should probably called Lemberg. I've heard of 'Hermannstadt', what is the Hungarian name for the town?

	17-01-2003 07:27									#3
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Lwow should probably called Lemberg. I've heard of 'Hermannstadt', what is the Hungarian name for the town?

I used EU2 for research. In it, Hermannstadt is the capital of Transylvania (Siebenburgen) and Lwov is the capital of Galizien.

Are you game or not?

	17-01-2003 10:22									#4
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Possibly. Which civ would you recomend me, and why? And where are the Hapsburgs?

OK, after searching the net Hermannstadt I finally figured out it was Nagyszeben. This makes sense since it was in the German dominated area (well, until Romania moved in). The only Transylvanian city name in German I know is Kronstadt (Brassó). That was actually the largest city, although Kolozsvár was traditionally the capital.

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	18-01-2003 00:45									#5
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Being Polish Ill be the Jagiellonians, and also to show support for my moderator. (Unless of course you are the Hapsburgs )

	18-01-2003 04:09									#6
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Which civ would you recomend me, and why?

How about the Ottomans? I have a few fond recollections of our joint OT days.

And where are the Hapsburgs?

The point of this scenario, as it currently stands, is to not be crushed by the Habsburgs. Valois will have the hardest time of it, followed by Tudors, Ottomans, and Jagiellonians in that order.

Ottomans can make some quick gains in the Middle East, but the Habsburg navy will soon kick them out again. Jagiellonians can eventually consolidate the Russian and Mongol lands. Tudors should be able to bring all of the British Isles under their rule.

Valois? Well, it's in their best interest to take the Spanish Netherlands ASAP. Their main concern is not to be overwhelmed by the Spanish forces and hope that Austria doesn't reunite the Holy Roman Empire too quickly.

I highly recommend trying a brief SP game with your nation of choice before playing the PBEM.

I'll join in if you need a fourth.

	18-01-2003 04:18									#7
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I'll join in if you need a fourth.

I hope you are playing St Leo, Im counting on it!

	18-01-2003 04:18									#8
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Put me down for a tentative Tudors. I need to play a bit more SP first.

	18-01-2003 13:29									#9
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OK, I'll be Ottomans (hey it can be fun being the bad guys right?) given your consent.. I'll be out of town from Jan 20 - Jan 30 (I am assuming that the game will start before the 30th). If you are not playing this game, prehaps you could be my sub until I get back?

	18-01-2003 20:24									#10
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Okay, I'll try not to screw them up too badly.

I'll also look into possibly patching BigIce this weekend. The MGE AI is behaving differently from the FW AI.

	18-01-2003 22:24									#11
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St Leo

You probally know this already but the MGE AI is more agressive than the FW AI.

So even if you build the SAcenario with FW when you play it with MGE it is (the AI) more agrressive.

	19-01-2003 04:48									#12
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Yeah, I know it. I don't want the scenario to either be too easy or to reach an impasse. As it stands, the Habsburgs don't take much in France beyond Septimania before 1550.

If this is new in MGE, it's being caused by the aggressive Tudor AI being able to keep the Habsburgs out of the Bay of Biscay for a while and the Habsburgs not having enough Horse Artillery. As it stands, I am a bit worried about.

Actually, I think this will work fine in PBEM. The human Tudors can probably capture a few Spanish cities while the Valois make short work of the Netherlands. Austria will be a tougher nut to crack, but Poland and the Ottomans have plenty of expansion opportunities into third-party cities.

Who wants to play the French?

	19-01-2003 12:37									#13
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I can take French.

	19-01-2003 14:12									#14
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Thanks Leo!

	19-01-2003 17:23									#15
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Who starts?

	20-01-2003 00:06									#16
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Valois: FiGu
Tudors: mordhiem
Jagiellonians: conmcb25
Ottomans: MagyarCrusader

FiGu does.

	20-01-2003 18:17									#17
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	20-01-2003 22:53									#18
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War declared on Hapsburg's. Captured La Courna, Bilbao and Antwerp making heavy use of naval bombardment. Pikemen have been convoyed in and it is expected that they will hold until better equiped reinforcements can arrive.

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	21-01-2003 08:53									#19
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Eating lots of Pierogi!

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	22-01-2003 05:05									#20
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Ottoman scientists have discovered Merchant Companies and Crop Rotation as was willed by Allah. Research has started on Convoying. Taxation of the pious has temporarily been increased to 40%.

Mosul has been captured by a peasant levy thanks to the temporary denudement of the Trapzon garrison.

Defensive armies have been dispatched westward and offensive armies have been dispatched eastward.

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	23-01-2003 21:52									#21
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French Scientist has discovered some techs.

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quote:

Pardon?

	24-01-2003 15:25									#23
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Need to Ctrl-N FiGu...

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	26-01-2003 01:26									#25
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*Consolidation in Hispana

*The Fleet heads to the Med

*Tea parties held in Finsbury Park

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	26-01-2003 07:39									#26
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Terribly sorry to bump in Mordhiem, but its your turn in Raging Dragon PBEM. Sorry folks

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No worries the Bump King loves Bumps!

	26-01-2003 09:21									#28
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Ho Hum

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	27-01-2003 22:58									#29
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I'll be unable to play for one or two weeks. Sorry.

	27-01-2003 23:58									#30
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I'll be unable to play for one or two weeks. Sorry.

Hmmm, so what do we do now? Should we just wait?