17-01-2003 10:13									#1
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Have anyone of you applied jobs successfully with functional resumes?

	17-01-2003 10:15									#2
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What do you mean by "functional resume?"

	17-01-2003 10:18									#3
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Sorry. It is sometimes known as "skill based" resume. Here's a link with more details.

	17-01-2003 10:20									#4
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Ah yes. We hate those.

	17-01-2003 10:20									#5
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I don't like them Urban.

What you can do is put a summary list of skills at the very top of your resume and then follow it with a chonological listing of your work experience.

That way you get the best of both worlds and they can see your "hot" skills before anything else.

	17-01-2003 10:37									#6
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Ted,

Do you have any examples of that?

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*taps his fingers politely. Doesn't bring up that he works for an executive recruiter and deals with resumes all day every day*

	17-01-2003 10:41									#8
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Do the chronological one (seriously). Get some advice from Bore-us on how to overcome your record of being fired every 2 months (joking).

It is obviously a dodge to do the non-chrono one. Much better to spend some extra time with the chorno one. Maybe finnesse it to make it more appealing. Oh...and write a decent cover letter. Also, realize that the resume isn't that huge of a deal once you get the interview. (I just got one today...)

	17-01-2003 10:45									#9
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Hey Boris, what kind of executive recruiting stuff do you do?

*GP tries to remember how bad he has pissed off Boris*

	17-01-2003 10:47									#10
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*Boris tries to remember an instant when he's ever been pissed off by GP*

	17-01-2003 10:47									#11
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what are you looking at doing GP?

Jon Mliler

	17-01-2003 10:48									#12
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Goes something like this:

Urban Ranger
555 West Street

Objective
------------

Seeking a Sr. Level Java Development position with IBM [or whatever the job happens to be at that time]

Skills
------
Java J2EE (certified), JSP, Sun Solaris, Red Hat, Jakarta Tomcat, LAN/WAN, Oracle 9i, Windows 2000, Cisco Routers, ssh, ftp [make this line as long as you need to, just list all your best stuff, and put up to 3 skills that were listed in the job description in bold ]

Experience
--------------

Sun Microsystems, San Jose, CA 1998-current
Network Adminstrator
Responsible for 15 servers running QA server for development. [this should be about 3 lines]
*Coded bug fixes
*Setup OS, application servers, and networking
*Employee of the quarter 2000, 2001
[list minimum of 3 bullet points but no more than 5 per job]

Hewlitt-Packard, San Ramon, CA 1995-1998
Systems Adminstrator
Repsonsible for Tivoli Backup systems, HP UNIX, and end user support.
*Built server farm of 50 servers from ground up
*Responsible for troubleshooting network outages

[Put as many jobs as far back as 10 years if they are relevent]

Education
------------
BS Computer Science, UC Berkeley 1991, 3.7/4.0 GPA

Last edited by Ted Striker on 17-01-2003 at 11:04

	17-01-2003 10:54									#13
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Very helpful doggie.

quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Goes something like this: Urban Ranger 555 West Street Objective ------------ Seeking a Sr. Level Java Development position with IBM [or whatever the job happens to be at that time] Skills ------ Java J2EE (certified), JSP, Sun Solaris, Red Hat, Jakarta Tomcat, LAN/WAN, Oracle 9i, Windows 2000, Cisco Routers, ssh, ftp [make this line as long as you need to, just list all your best stuff, and put up to 3 skills that were listed in the job description in bold ] Experience -------------- Sun Microsystems, San Jose, CA 1998-current Network Adminstrator Responsible for 15 servers running QA server for development. *Coded bug fixes *Setup OS, application servers, and networking *Employee of the quarter 2000, 2001 Hewlitt-Packard, San Ramon, CA 1995-1998 Systems Adminstrator Repsonsible for Tivoli Backup systems, HP UNIX, and end user support. *Built server farm of 50 servers from ground up *Responsible for troubleshooting network outages [Put as many jobs as far back as 10 years if they are relevent] Education ------------ BS Computer Science, UC Berkeley 1991, 3.7/4.0 GPA

	17-01-2003 10:57									#14
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Thanks Navy.

Urban,

On those job descriptions, I would make them longer than that, but not too long. (3 lines max) If you have Libertarian length descriptions, nobody will read your resume. Then for your bullet points that go under the job descriptions, list at least 3 but no more than 5.

I've found this format to be MONEY (literally).

	17-01-2003 10:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller what are you looking at doing GP? Jon Mliler

2 different positions at a pharma company.

One is in strategic purchasing. Not a function I'm crazy about and job is a little lower level than what I'm probably set for. I haven't done a lot of this type of stuff specifically, but I've used most of the frameworks and tools in parralel assignments. Talked to a fellow there and he said it would not be tought to come up to speed real fast.

Other one is a technology transfer position where they want someone who has Ph.D. chem experience as well as MBA type skills. I'm actually a decent match for that. And some of my consulting engineering for biotechs would help also. Although I'm a little off in terms of the science. (i.e my Ph.D. isn't in pharma process engineering.) Still, I've got a decent shot since it sounds like I nail the business and manager aspects.

Had a pre-interview yesterday. Followed it up with a tight letter today. And "her assistant" is going to arrange a flight up for me to talk with a couple SVPs.

Nothing perfect. But definitely stuff I can do and worth my time to talk to them about.

---------------------

If you wanted a quicker answer it is "continuing to sell out for business cash instead of using my science degree to actually help people/discover things for society."

	17-01-2003 11:00									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov *Boris tries to remember an instant when he's ever been pissed off by GP*

Good answer.

Now dish with the Korn Ferry secrets.

	17-01-2003 11:02									#17
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Ah, KF...one of our competitors...

We couldn't help you, we're very specialized, and not in the fields you need.

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quote: Originally posted by GP If you wanted a quicker answer it is "continuing to sell out for business cash instead of using my science degree to actually help people/discover things for society."

Stooge!

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Ah, KF...one of our competitors... We couldn't help you, we're very specialized, and not in the fields you need.

typical recruiter. Dismissing me outright. Maybe I could hang in those other fields. I swing a lot of different ways. I have some primo names on the resume too. Well...one. What type of stuff do you do? IT?

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UR:

You might consider dropping the "Objective" section. When I read resumes I ignore it. "Objectives" all sound pretty much the same, so they do nothing to set you apart from other candidates.

	17-01-2003 11:06									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Stooge!

In the back of my head, I was thinking about doing some bench science. I thought it was really cool when you advised me to do that. The corp strategy stuff can be a little bit of a souldrain. Making a better molecule gives you some satisfaction.

	17-01-2003 11:07									#22
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Well, AS, I think that alot of HR people have found it helpful when they have to screen a couple of different specific positions, that way it helps them figure out which job they are reading the resume for.

That's the only reason I put it on there, for identification purposes, though I agree that some of them can sound very fluffy.

"Seeking a challenging position that maximizes my skill set."


That's one of those, "No sh1t Sherlock!" objectives that I would ignore

	17-01-2003 11:13									#23
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quote: Originally posted by GP In the back of my head, I was thinking about doing some bench science. I thought it was really cool when you advised me to do that. The corp strategy stuff can be a little bit of a souldrain. Making a better molecule gives you some satisfaction.

So will you really feel like Dilbert's boss when you're bossing scientists around?

Ask them if they can solve it with Maple...

	17-01-2003 11:15									#24
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What people really like is if you tell them "I don't know how to do it myself, but it should be simple. I'm cutting your budget in half."

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger So will you really feel like Dilbert's boss when you're bossing scientists around? Ask them if they can solve it with Maple...

I can come up to speed as needed. (Within reason.) And I think my skill is more in asking the right questions to get a tangible feel for stuff and to size up costs and opporunities and scope of things. More like, "how many bounces required to translate 50% of photon energy? And how long does that take." Heck...i don't mind asking a dumb question like can they MAPLE it. At least it is better than the idgets who don't even try to understand it.

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger What people really like is if you tell them "I don't know how to do it myself, but it should be simple. I'm cutting your budget in half."

That would be tough.

	17-01-2003 11:33									#27
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Thanks for your helpful suggestions, all.


Boris and Ted,

Is function resume considered a dodge? I thought it generally is considered so, but I read somewhere that it is the one favoured by IT sectors.

	17-01-2003 11:36									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Java J2EE (certified), JSP, Sun Solaris, Red Hat, Jakarta Tomcat, LAN/WAN, Oracle 9i, Windows 2000, Cisco Routers, ssh, ftp [make this line as long as you need to, just list all your best stuff, and put up to 3 skills that were listed in the job description in bold ]

What if this runs over half a page? As for the LAN/WAN bit, should I make it more detailed (such as LAN/WAN: server clusters, TCP/IP, IPsec, network security, Internet connectivity, etc.)?

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quote: Is function resume considered a dodge? I thought it generally is considered so, but I read somewhere that it is the one favoured by IT sectors.

In my opinion I would say so, but it's also a little confusing to read as well.

But the cool thing about the chonological resume is that you can still show functionality, and/or problems that you have solved, within your job decription and bullet points anyway.

	17-01-2003 11:42									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker In my opinion I would say so, but it's also a little confusing to read as well.

Sorry, I am not too sure what you affirmed - that functional resumes are considered dodges, or that they are supposedly favoured by the IT sector?