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Jan 1970
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you are that good, that all high kicks are virtually useless?.. |
Not at all. I'm not some incredibly awesome fighter or anything. What I'm trying to say is that if I'm fighting someone of approximately the same skill level as I am, a high kick is NOT gonna work unless I screw up somehow, which is always possible, admittedly.
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am sure sorry that you have not been exposed to any worthwhile opponents, |
Maybe, maybe not. I've fought black belts in both TKD and Karate. Whether those are worthwhile opponents or not I leave to you to judge. And of course I've fought people who have trained Muay Thai for 12 years who have kicked the **** out of me.
SKILORD,
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I agree, but you have them in the wrong order (Even tho i'm better at Muay Thai i perfer juijitsu, Gracie I assume) |
Well, to be a complete fighter, you need both in my opinion. A straight BJJ fighter will probably beat a straight Muay Thai fighter, though, just on the basis that the Thai boxer can't keep the fight standing up forever, and once it goes to the ground he is screwed.
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Actually if you do anything involving George Dillman (Who has a great deal of easily obtainable books if you care to look into this) you will come to realise that no martial Art actually contains blocks, sounds odd at first if you've been doing it for a while, but ultimately true. |
Actually I sorta see what you're saying - all of the "blocks" I would do are designed to damage the other person in some way - elbow blocks against feet and hands, shin blocks against kicks, etc.
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Royce Gracie rocks, he's done two seminars at my school, my teacher worshipps him. |
Last year I got to do a seminar with Relson Gracie - granted, he's no Royce, but it was a great opportunity. I missed an opportunity to train with Frank Shamrock because my arm was broken, that was definitely a bummer.
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cia
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Apr 1999
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I fight Wado-Ryu, or as it's known now Wado-Kai, and it's fairly effective in open full contact tournaments. Especially known for short-course movements and adaptation from any style fought against, trying to take the best of all. ***** to learn though and is taking a long time. Best quick attack is a shot to the knee followed by a groin or neck shot (or nose shot if nothing better). Try to kick me with that leg and you better have some distance or a quick one-knuckle strike into the nerve in your thigh will dissuade you from trying that twice.
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Far away from here
Apr 1999
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Calculating how to fight IS simple Calc II.
My sensei taught me with a simple question: Are you still standing?
Yes = Good.
No = Bad and time for different thinking.
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I owe..I owe..it's off to work I go
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Originally posted by Calc II
No. Looking cool with different combat poses isnt at all the difference you should be looking for.
I seriously doubt anyone really fought here in RL. Of course I have done most of mine when I was a kid and wouldnt know more than one who has done more than me when one was an adult, but things people talk about here..... all talk and no show! 
I've known a friend who was a blackbelt and he couldnt even do one knuckle push-up...  |
If your talking about"RL" meaning R=Real L=Life, you are saddly mistaken  I have, won 2 U S Open Championships and bounced for years, REAL WORLD, not officiated, not sanctioned, not controlled but actually getting it on with multiple opponents at one time. I was thirteen when I was held down in Baileyville Maine and had my ribs broken, 3 front teeth kicked out of my head while being held down in 1972 in a wooded community, small town setting, not big city , and yes I have fought too many times in REAL LIFE, but we are not taking applications for an assault force at least i hope not, then I will respectfully bow out. As for theses forums, you are indeed correct, this is "Talk" and not "show", my PC doesnt have a movie cam and well, I am just chatting, but if your lazy AR$E would take time to research FACTS mentioned here, then you would know they are founded 
J/K..little Saturday Morning humor is all!!
Seriously, I enjoy this thread, and well, speak on fellow Martial Artists and wanna-B's!!
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em seu burro dos pais!
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Well, I've been missing some good debating.
I think what is essential here, that it's been proved, yes, over and over again, that the more traditional arts haven't been succesful in a looong time. When two men enter the ring/octagon/whatever, I'd like to see at least once when pure TKD fighter wins, and doesn't get the beating of his life. This doesn't mean that TKD is useless, not at all. Just that it's different art, old and with great traditions and is reckoned everywhere. However we should measure the 'reality' factor here, in REAL fights these guys just don't win. Same goes for Karate (any form), Kung Fu etc etc. Of course guys with this discipline have been good, BUT they have also trained other arts too, and are more well rounded.
There are few good styles, that are relatively new, and they have been PROVED to be effective, and that's their only goal. And it's not so much a question about the guys either, since they've had the best quality there. They have all got their butts kicked hard.
And as to the argument that these arts have been developed in hundreds of years and thus must be good.. well no one is arguing that they are bad, sure they are good. But they don't measure up with modern styles.
Would you go at it with a knife, when the other guy has m-16?
And sure, these modern arts of course have been developed from these older arts, they didn't invent completely new stuff that much, just combined the goods and left out the useless flashy stuff and went with what really works.
Just my thoughts..
Plus, true MMA/NHB/etc fighters won't go after just anyone. They fight each other in the ring, not outside the ring. And where's the pride of going after someone much weaker in the streets etc? Nowhere, completely the opposite. Some jackasses are always going the other way, but if you're confident of yourself and your skills, you don't have to prove them to someone, but just walk away.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
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And more to the TKD thing. I have a friend who has been doing it for ages, and is pretty good, competing and all.
He's very good kicker, far more superior than me. Actually the only kick I can really give good is the low leg kick, but that suits my style. I don't need other kicks, maybe front kick every now and then. But this guy just kicks like crazy. He can't do grappling really, so when we sometimes get it going for fun, he always complains that I won't fight for real since I shoot and take him down the first chance I get.. but hey, that's real fighting! There are no 'we must stand up' rules. He now knows some grappling, so it's not that easy anymore  . But on the other hand, I can stand up some more, with punching. I'm not in the same planet in kicking with him, but the point is, his kicks aren't that useful. It's like lucky sucker punch. You can get it sometimes, but.. it's more likely you won't.
Though I've been getting some punishment from him, since he has learned to dump the high kicks and sidekicks, and goes with those low kicks, and I tell you he can really give them good. So I'd say his TKD backround has given him a big arsenal of kicks, but now he uses only maybe 2 different kicks when we roll, so..
TKD is usefull, but if you want reality stuff, then you should add few styles to your arsenal as well, or you won't stand a chance.
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Sep 2002
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Originally posted by Troll
If your talking about"RL" meaning R=Real L=Life, you are saddly mistaken I have, won 2 U S Open Championships and bounced for years, REAL WORLD, not officiated, not sanctioned, not controlled but actually getting it on with multiple opponents at one time. I was thirteen when I was held down in Baileyville Maine and had my ribs broken, 3 front teeth kicked out of my head while being held down in 1972 in a wooded community, small town setting, not big city , and yes I have fought too many times in REAL LIFE, but we are not taking applications for an assault force at least i hope not, then I will respectfully bow out. As for theses forums, you are indeed correct, this is "Talk" and not "show", my PC doesnt have a movie cam and well, I am just chatting, but if your lazy AR$E would take time to research FACTS mentioned here, then you would know they are founded
J/K..little Saturday Morning humor is all!!
Seriously, I enjoy this thread, and well, speak on fellow Martial Artists and wanna-B's!!
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People who are usually good at fighting usually dont talk too much about it. Even if you enjoy it... I duno i can just sense something out of the way they talk. It is internet and its not like anything can be really proven anyway....
I cant research how to fight. Ugh I dont even know what I am syaing now. I just give up.
What kind of championship is this?
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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Wrestlers who don't know submissions, though, are generally screwed.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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I agree - UFC isn't full NHB because of the danger element involved. But UFC/Pride are the closest things out there besides street fights.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
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Yep. Sometimes guys who haven't followed the sport disagree 'why don't he' this and that and 'that wouldn't work, oh that's stupid', but they don't always realise that these guys are good and that's the way it goes when both fighters are experienced. And they make mistakes too.
It's funny, UFC allows strikes with elbows (or just forearms?) to the head on the ground, when Pride allows kicks on the head on the ground and knees too, soccer kicks etc. They should combine their rules already! But with current rules, I like Pride just little bit more.
Since you can start striking to the head when in the ground in pride too, but in UFC if fighters are in sidemount, or maybe in 69, first thing that comes to mind is 'knee knee!' and it's a shame UFC is not allowing that move, because it's not that realistic if you have to continue looking for submission, or maybe better position to strike than just kneeing. Also if a guy is down, it's kind of stupid when the opponent has to jump in straight to ground game, or punch when you could just give a nice soccer kick.. well just my thoughts.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
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I agree with GP, boxing and wrestling are great workout, and it's tough too.
Though, we do pretty much all out sparring too. Actually our sessions are first warm up (which is more than jumping a rope, it kills you already), then some technique, maybe two different techniques and do them over and over and over and over again with partner, since there's only one way to learn good, and that's just doing them over and over again.. and then sparring. About 30 minutes sparring 4 x 5 minutes, and 10 minute break overall. It's very tough, since guys are trying hard and it's a bit punishment sometimes, but strikes are not as hard as possible. But it's very tough, I've never got my ass kicked so hard everywhere as I do every week in the gym
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