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Jon Miller
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quote:
Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Nah - its not cutting it GP. I should really start a "how to troll" thread. Some of you are so lame at it. |
but you didn't even answer my questions from the how to make your thread reach 500 thread
which got deleted BTW
so how do we know that you want have problems delivering with your troll thread?
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:24
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were only weird because our cuntry is run by a bunch of religious zealouts and is a psuedo secular state!
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Jon Miller
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I want to learn how to troll damn it
but I am afraid that AH will not be able to deliver
maybe you can start one GP??
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Spiffor
I must admit the christianty of the US isn't much of a difference with most of the West.
While christianty has a huge role in American politics and American identity (President's pledge on the Bible, pupils' pledge, all the debate on creationism and abortion which are clearly fueled by religious nonsense debates), it is not really different than some European countries : Germany's right wing party is clearly religious, religion has a very significant impact on Portugal's politics, and most of the European Parlament's representatives are more or less against abortion.
However Ned, I can tell you that it isn't enough to write in legal texts that religion and state are separated, for it to be real. In France, the separation occured in 1905, and was an extremely tense struggle between the Republic and the Church : many goods belonging to the Church have been taken, schools were agressively worldly, and remain so somehow (often, muslim students with scarf of the head are expelled), and every thing which wasn't complete by the time is a very sensible topic every time a politician dares to touch the old status quo (every time the funding of private / religious schools change in comparison of public schools, you have millions of demonstrators, whatever the chosen side)
This painful experience mostly separated French politics from Religion. But it was much more than some text nobody bothers to read.
(in Germany, I was really surprised to see ads for churches, political speeches featuring the word "god" etc.) |
Spiffor, I suspect that disentangling from the Church, be it Catholic of Protestant, is almost as hard as disentagling from one's Monarchies.
I believe, for example, that many European countries actually support regligious schools with tax dollars. Not so?
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HershOstropoler
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Ned (and to some extent Dan): You really live in a fantasy world.
Now, if you can understand the two concepts of religious neutrality (a la Germany and Austria, for example) and strict separation of church and state (a la US and France), we can debate this. Requires a bit of knowledge about comparative constitutional law. Then maybe even Ned would understand why Osama would not like either concept.
"Most European countries fund religion directly from tax dollars."
Explain. But please not the german "Kirchensteuer".
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