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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN JAN 19, 2003 10:35:25 ET XXXXX

NEW YORK CITY MAYOR FUMED OVER 'SMOKING' ON STAGE AT STONES CONCER

**Exclusive**

New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg is fuming mad over Rolling Stones members smoking on stage at Madison Square Garden during an nationally televised concert this weekend, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"The mayor sent cops to issue summonses," one stage source told the DRUDGE REPORT late Saturday. "But the cops watched the show, off stage, by a monitor, instead of stopping the concert."

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HBO cameras captured band members Keith Richards and Ron Wood smoking cigarettes while performing.

"The band raced out of the Garden after they finished their last number, avoiding the police," an insider said. "The music had not even finished playing; and they were in cars already, spinning away. They did not even go to their dressing rooms!"

Madison Square Garden regulations state: there is no smoking permitted. "This policy is strictly enforced. Violation of this regulation is grounds for ejection."

In December, ex-smoker Mayor Michael Bloomberg signed a strict smoking ban in New York City.

Bloomberg is also trying to get smoking banned in Central Park.

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OK, Bloomberg, get the stick out of your ass. The cops even thought that was stupid. People are gonna do crazy stuff at rock concerts - and smoking a cigarette is pretty mild compared to what they could be doing.

Bottom line - get over yourself.

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I don't know what's worse, the fact that Bloomberg did this or the fact that Drudge thought it was newsworthy and you thought threadworthy.

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Madison Square Garden regulations state: there is no smoking permitted. "This policy is strictly enforced. Violation of this regulation is grounds for ejection."


they broke the law... the mayor did what he is supposed to do...

if you got a problem with the law, petition to change it... don't just disobey it.


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Yes, Drudge Report is pretty stupid. No, this isn't really newsworthy. It's pretty laugh-worthy, though.

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if you got a problem with the law, petition to change it... don't just disobey it.


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It's pretty laugh-worthy


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Floyd, Speer is actually right here.

Bloomburg had a law and wanted it carried out. Don't see why he wouldn't be mad.

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The point is, enforcing that law seems pretty heavy-handed and ridiculous. It's sorta like New Orleans arresting people for underage drinking during Mardi Gras.

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Well, if it is the law...

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The point is, enforcing that law seems pretty heavy-handed and ridiculous. It's sorta like New Orleans arresting people for underage drinking during Mardi Gras.

The law is the law, Floyd...

You don't just ignore it when you don't feel like abiding by it.

I agree that the drinking age in the US is too high, but I still don't have a problem with cops arresting people for underage drinking...that's their jobs.

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It's sorta like New Orleans arresting people for underage drinking during Mardi Gras.


So you're saying the law can be circumvented on special occassions?

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Yes Speer, Floyd doesn't believe in democracy if it does not benefit him.

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Jesus Christ people!

New Orleans DOES NOT enforce underage drinking laws on Mardi Gras, to my knowledge, for one good reason - it would be silly to. It's gonna happen, everyone knows it's gonna happen, and no one there really cares.

Similarly, it's silly for New York to enforce an anti-smoking statute during a rock concert. It's gonna happen, worse stuff than that is gonna happen, no one at the rock concert really cares, if they were health nuts who cared about second hand smoke they're probably smart enough to avoid getting their ears blasted out at rock concerts. Obviously, the police agreed, as they did nothing to stop it.

Now, a city such as New York with such a high amount of violent crime should focus on stopping that, not ticketing people for smoking. Come on.

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Murder is going to happen, I still think it should be illegal.

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Oh gimme a break. If you want to equate breaking a smoking statute with murder, then I'll equate an anti-smoking statute with a statute protecting slavery

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So if something is 'going to happen' and 'no one cares' then the law should not be followed?

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underage drinking on mardi gras DOES result in some other crimes besides the act of drinking... thousands of rowdy drunk teenagers running around... best to enforce the drinking law before they start rioting and raping

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So if something is 'going to happen' and 'no one cares' then the law should not be followed?


As long as it's not a non-consensual violent crime, then certainly.

AS,

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underage drinking on mardi gras DOES result in some other crimes besides the act of drinking... thousands of rowdy drunk teenagers running around... best to enforce the drinking law before they start rioting and raping


So now drinking automatically leads to raping?

Yeah, and if a rape happens, I'm certain they arrest you in New Orleans, even on Mardi Gras. But they don't really go around checking ID, either. You see, they're too busy trying to stop REAL crimes from happening.

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Imran, Asher, AS : Don't you have any unpaid copyright protected data on your computer ? Not just one ?
I didn't know there were such honest people here, who would never dare to break any law

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Imran, Asher, AS : Don't you have any unpaid copyright protected data on your computer ? Not just one ?


Check my hard drive .

Sorry, not a single mp3 or warez software.

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I didn't know there were such honest people here, who would never dare to break any law

Huh?

When did I ever pretend to be perfect?

If I got busted for whatever's on my computer, I'll understand why.

I don't recall ever saying I'd never dare break the law, just that I can understand the concept of ENFORCING laws because...well, they are laws.

Do you have some fundamental problems with reading comprehension or are you just counting on everyone else being stupid when you argue with them (I see Floyd thought it was a good point )?

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they broke the law... the mayor did what he is supposed to do...

if you got a problem with the law, petition to change it... don't just disobey it.

I agree Speer.
I don't see how anyone could argue against this.

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Thats besides the point... there's a difference between a crime occuring privately and one occuring in public in full view of the police... in the latter, the police, being right there, witnessing a crime, HAVE to arrest the offenders... at least they supposed to.

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oh horror, I just agreed with DF !
Well, since I half agree with Libertarians (on the non-econic side), I guess I should get used to it.

(note to DF : please do not start the debate on the lack of consistence of pro-welfare liberals, it would be an ugly threadjack )

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Thats besides the point... there's a difference between a crime occuring privately and one occuring in public in full view of the police... in the latter, the police, being right there, witnessing a crime, HAVE to arrest the offenders... at least they supposed to.


That's not beside the point at all. You, by having illegal music on the computer, are engaging in criminal activity that both parties have not consented to, while the Rolling Stones engaged in "criminal" activity that no one present objected to. Which do you imagine is worse?

Mattyboy,

I understand it's the law. I'm just saying it's bad judgement to enforce the law down to the letter, in many cases. It would have made much more sense to ignore the whole thing, realize no one was being hurt, and get on with the business of catching real criminals.

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As much as I hate to agree with Albert Speer on any issue, I have to agree with Mayor Bloomberg's actions. This double standard we sometimes have for celebrities is sick. Winona Ryder gets caught shoplifting, people start demanding "Free Winona". That singer for the Who, the one who downloaded kiddy porn- there were people here defending him against those who want harsh punishment. And now it's ok if these people want to break the law? Sorry, but if we are gonna have a law its got to apply to everyone, the fact that it is a celebrity and they are performing a concert doesn't make it ok for them.

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"if you got a problem with the law, petition to change it... don't just disobey it."

then why are you selling pirated CDs, hypocrite?

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That singer for the Who, the one who downloaded kiddy porn- there were people here defending him against those who want harsh punishment.

This is a poor example because, apparently, he actually reported what the content was to police over a year ago, long before he was even being investigated or busted for it.

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So, Shi, do you think that the government should go arrest someone sufferring from a painful form of cancer, who is smoking pot to relieve the pain?

Come on - that would be silly, not to mention cruel.

My position has nothing to do with the celebrity status of the Rolling Stones. It would be the same no matter who was up on stage.

 
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