23-01-2003 02:13									#61
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why do ppl always try to argue with Boris?

It perplexes me.

AA sux. I went to one of them meetings and they told me that I had to go outside with my beer!!! Thank drinking on church property was not nice, especially sence everyone in there was trying to quit!!! Forget AA.

Oh, wait...

Nevermind.

That other AA sux too, it is only for minorities, and I am not one, so I don't like it.

	23-01-2003 02:18									#62
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quote: The ESoMD is Southern in culture and identity.

So says you, you Southern wannabe .

Anything North of Virginia is not Southern. The Mason-Dixon line is only useful for knowing where slaves were kept and that's about it. Any state that wasn't part of the Confederacy isn't South.

	23-01-2003 02:29									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The ESoMD is Southern in culture and identity. So says you, you Southern wannabe . Anything North of Virginia is not Southern. The Mason-Dixon line is only useful for knowing where slaves were kept and that's about it. Any state that wasn't part of the Confederacy isn't South.

I just love your shifting definitions of South. So what about Northern Virginia? You said yourself it wasn't Southern, but IIRC it was part of the Confederacy, wasn't it?

If you're just going to be arbitrary in all your arguments, tell me now so we can stop!

What about the ES of VA? I promise you there is no significant cultural difference between that region and most of the ES of MD and lower Delaware.

Sorry, but your narrow definition of "Southern" isn't going to fly for most people.

	23-01-2003 02:35									#64
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I am from Maryland and I have been to the Eastern Shore of Maryland plenty of times in my life to visit family plenty of times. Boris is wrong, the Eastern Shore of Maryland is not Southern.

	23-01-2003 02:36									#65
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The Northern Virgina example was to show that cultural factors that people consider 'Southern' has no bearing on what is Southern.

I wonder if people on the ES of Maryland refer to 'Southern values' and hoist up the Confederate flag.

	23-01-2003 02:57									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I am from Maryland and I have been to the Eastern Shore of Maryland plenty of times in my life to visit family plenty of times. Boris is wrong, the Eastern Shore of Maryland is not Southern.

I lived on the ES of MD for 10 years. I also was born and raised in TN until I was 12, with a brief stint in AL. If Tennessee is Southern, so is the ES of MD. I think I speak with some authority on it.

quote: I wonder if people on the ES of Maryland refer to 'Southern values' and hoist up the Confederate flag.

Many do. A large number of my high school classmates had the Stars n Bards license plates. The political attitudes are as conservative in values as any southern state.

quote: The Northern Virgina example was to show that cultural factors that people consider 'Southern' has no bearing on what is Southern.

So it works the other way. If a region is culturally indistinguishable from the rest of the South, is geographically "southern" in the U.S. (it certainly lies on the same latitude as VA and TN), and if the locals generally identify with Southern culture, then there is no reason to not consider it southern except based on some arbitrary definition.

	23-01-2003 02:59									#67
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Does the Republican Southern Strategy count on going to Maryland? Did it ever leave the union?

The Confederacy indicates 'South' to the country. This is why West Virginia isn't considered South, while Virginia is.

	23-01-2003 03:00									#68
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	23-01-2003 03:06									#69
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I have a theory that AA doesn't actually exist. It's just a fiendish myth propagated by minoroties so they can sneak out and get all the good jobs while whitey wastes his time in a frothing rage of self-righteous ranting.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Does the Republican Southern Strategy count on going to Maryland? Did it ever leave the union?

The ESoMD is staunchly Republican, by about a 2-1 margin. However, it is outpopulated by the Western Shore. But I'm not talking about Maryland as a whole, just the ES. But you know that and are grasping.

And I guarantee you that, now that a Republican has been elected Governor, the GOP will consider Maryland a big target in 2004.

quote: The Confederacy indicates 'South' to the country.

Kentucky is considered Southern by many. Florida, by and large, isn't considered culturally "southern" in the same vein that Alabama or Georgia are.

And keep in mind also that there was considerable support for the CSA in Maryland, and it was by declaring martial law that it remained with the Union.

Oh, and for the record, The Mason-Dixon line wouldn't be applicable to CA, as it didn't extend west of the PA/MD border.

	23-01-2003 03:57									#71
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quote: Kentucky is considered Southern by many.

Only parts, and that is culturally. Most of the state is simply considered a rural border state.

quote: Florida, by and large, isn't considered culturally "southern" in the same vein that Alabama or Georgia are.

Culturally no, but it is the South

Admit it, you dirty Yank .

	23-01-2003 04:56									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Japher That other AA sux too, it is only for minorities, and I am not one, so I don't like it.

Have you been paying attention at all?

AA also benefits poor whites. There is also AA for athletes and children of alumni.

I do not fit into any of these categories. And I do like AA.

	23-01-2003 05:00									#73
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"And I guarantee you that, now that a Republican has been elected Governor, the GOP will consider Maryland a big target in 2004. "

Ehrlich was elected governor because of KKT's idiotic campaign and her association with the unpopular Glendenning administration that ran up a huge budget deficit and was allegedly corrupt. Maryland is still a heavily Democratic state, if you doubt that check out Maryland's vote in the 2000 presidential election. The GOP isn't about to target Maryland because it has a GOP governor any more then it is going to target Massaschusets because that state has a Republican governor.

	24-01-2003 21:17									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Ooh, hark at her, I go to sleep and then have the audacity to go to work before replying and Cal goes all "Mr. Fun" on me (That's when you re-quote your own posts to get a response. Needlessly desperate).

Not at all. MrFun quotes something he had already posted. I edited my reply so long after I originally posted that I thought it would be pretty likely that you would miss it.

quote: Anyway, to give an actual response, if it is said that the greatest beneficiaries of AA are women, then given that it uses gender to identify this group, we can say that the AA is based around gender; thus, white women are more likely, populationwise the greatest beneficiaries. Black women probably do have a double advantage at employers who use AA. But people who go for jobs are far more likely to be stiffed through AA in favour of women than blacks... although it's clear you'd much rather whine about perceived racial discrimination

Right, its "percieved" racial discrimination. AA discriminates on the basis of race, so it is racial discrimination.

quote: Obviously I can't give you any figures for anything, but it's quite clear that saying no white people benefit from AA is a load of tosh.

I already agreed that a small amount of white people have benefited from AA.

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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Have you been paying attention at all? AA also benefits poor whites. There is also AA for athletes and children of alumni. I do not fit into any of these categories. And I do like AA.

If AA's so great, why don't you tell your Detroit Pistons to have 8 white guys on the team? Have 4 black guys on the Red Wings?
Try it

The sports world sees AA for bullshit, why can't you?

	25-01-2003 20:51									#76
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That is quite possibly the worst argument I've ever heard.