22-01-2003 22:27									#31
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Oops For the non-Dutch readers:

CDA = Christian Democrats
PvdA = Socialist Democrats
VVD = Conservative Liberals
D66 = Liberal Democrats (I think)
GroenLinks = Greens
SP = Socialists
ChristenUnie = Christian Fundamentalists
LPF = late Pim Fortuyn's party

	22-01-2003 22:29									#32
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I'd agree that D66 are liberal democrats

	22-01-2003 22:44									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus ChristenUnie = Christian Fundamentalists

I don't think that's really true... It's the SGP who are the fundamentalists.
What I've heard of the ChristenUnie I think they're pretty good really, for a Christian party anyway. Not that I'd ever vote for them, but then I don't have to think about voting at all.

When will foreigners finally get a right to vote! I've lived here all my life, yet I can't vote, while some emigrant Dutch guy's offspring living on the other side of the world who hardly knows Holland even exists (so to speak) can...

	22-01-2003 23:47									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni So...what did you vote? Or are you postponing it to later today? =)

I overslept this morning so I voted at about 7 PM, after I got home from work

And I let my heart prevail over my mind: Agnes all the way!

And Mercator, foreigners are allowed to vote at the local and provincial level, just not for the parliamentary elections. Imagine all those Belgians voting for all those funny parties we have over here

	23-01-2003 00:00									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator When will foreigners finally get a right to vote! I've lived here all my life, yet I can't vote, while some emigrant Dutch guy's offspring living on the other side of the world who hardly knows Holland even exists (so to speak) can...

The solution is simple: stop being a foreigner

Is it that hard to become a Dutch citizen?

Oh, but don't forget to go by Mat Herbens Golden Rule:

[B] VERPLICHT INTEGREREN- DWANG DWANG DWANG- STOK ACHTER DE DEUR [B]

	23-01-2003 00:08									#36
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Just what sort of dilemna do you think you have, Hueij? Your vote does not matter. The election is entirely dertermined by forces outside you control, like the Illuminati.

	23-01-2003 01:04									#37
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Exit Polls:

CDA : 43 (-)
PvdA: 42 (+19 )
VVD : 25 (+1)
LPF : 8 (-18)
SP : 11 (+2)
GL : 9 (-1)
D66 : 6 (-)
CU : 4 9(-)
SGP : 2 (-)
LN : 0 (-2)

Margin of error : 2 seats

No way the rightwing government will be able to continue

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	23-01-2003 01:51									#38
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We have a two party system in the USA so I don't vote. I probably wouldn't vote anyway even if a Socialist party could win. It's hard to say. It's interesting to see you Europeans decide on your vote though.

	23-01-2003 02:03									#39
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After ~10% of the votes have been counted:

CDA: 45 (+3)
PvdA: 40 (+17)
VVD: 28 (+4)
SP: 10 (+1)
GL: 8 (-2)
LPF: 8 (-18)
ChrU: 3 (-1)
D66: 6 (-)
SGP: 2 (-)
LN: 0 (-2)

Not quite as good as the exit polls but still okay...

	23-01-2003 02:07									#40
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After 22% of the votes has been counted, the result is exactly the same as above (after 10%).

	23-01-2003 02:40									#41
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After 66% the result is the same as above, except that 1 seat moved from VVD to PvdA.

	23-01-2003 03:50									#42
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Great result! We are the biggest
Too bad we have to go together with the social democrats

Heuij, my advice to you: you shouldn't have voted. Someone who has that little knowledge about political parties and speaks in such simplistic terms about parties better stay home

Eventhough I disagree on much items with PvdA / SP, I wouldn't dare to speak that simplistic about these parties.

	23-01-2003 03:51									#43
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Don't know if I should be happy or pissed...

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	23-01-2003 03:54									#44
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quote: Too bad we have to go together with the social democrats Heuij, my advice to you: you shouldn't have voted. Someone who has that little knowledge about political parties and speaks in such simplistic terms about parties better stay home

Pissed it is... The old Christian Democratic arrogance is back, I see.

Well, CDA, VVD and LPF have a majority, so we'll meet again in 87 days I guess.

	23-01-2003 04:36									#45
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Is there any particular reason Groen Links has lost votes? Is it people switching back to PvdA?

I didn't exercise my right to vote in Holland, as I've never lived and so really couldn't less But if I had, I'd probably have voted for Groen Links.

	23-01-2003 04:43									#46
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue Is there any particular reason Groen Links has lost votes? Is it people switching back to PvdA? I didn't exercise my right to vote in Holland, as I've never lived and so really couldn't less But if I had, I'd probably have voted for Groen Links.

Yes, three weeks ago Green Left and the Socialist Party were winning in the polls. The SP even stood at 20 seats at one point. But the PvdA made a great come-back, only it was at the expense of the other left parties.

Next time exercise your voting rights and vote left, if only to piss of Cybershy

	23-01-2003 06:34									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Well, CDA, VVD and LPF have a majority, so we'll meet again in 87 days I guess.

	23-01-2003 16:56									#48
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quote: Pissed it is... The old Christian Democratic arrogance is back, I see.

You obviously missed my point.
YOU are the one who's arrogant, with your simplification of parties you disagree with. Like I said, no arrogance on my side, you're allowed to have your opinion and I respect it eventhough I disagree with it.

I respect Jan Marijnissen very much, and I think Wouter Bos is a nice guy. You can't stop keeping that superiority feeling as if there's no good party if it's not a leftish party.

It's something leftish people always feel like, and they will always feel that way. You guys feel like you have the superior opinion.

And that is the end of democraty.

	23-01-2003 16:58									#49
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quote: Heuij: Next time exercise your voting rights and vote left, if only to piss of Cybershy

quote: Heuij: Don't know if I should be happy or pissed...

You appear to be the only one who's pissed. I'm not pissed at all. I think the democraty has won yesterday!

The only thing that pisses me of is the superior feeling you spread. But again, pherhaps it only makes me feel sorry for you. That superior feeling is a part of the 'old politics from the 50's' you wanted to avoid that much!

I can't see how you want to avoid it while you're a part of it?

	23-01-2003 18:00									#50
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The Christian Democrats have won

I so hate this country


The party with the fewest principles and the loosest ideology won once again. Christian my ass...

I swear I'll leave this country if bulk-ellende tries to form another coalition with the LPF. If the guy is honest and wants to follow the "will of the voters" like said during the last elections, he should form a coalition with Labour. If instead he decides to re-invite the LPF than these entire elections were a farce, and will clearly show the CDA's complete and utter lack of respect for the voters.

	23-01-2003 18:37									#51
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i wish we had european politics in america, i want 7 major parties!

	23-01-2003 18:48									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus If instead he decides to re-invite the LPF than these entire elections were a farce, and will clearly show the CDA's complete and utter lack of respect for the voters.

C'mon, you don't honestly think that's going to happen, do you? though Balkenende never excluded that option, it will be such a disgrace that it will mean a political suicide. The only worry should be wether the PvdA will be able to keep a socialist attitude and not turn into a center-party again!

	23-01-2003 19:01									#53
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quote: It's something leftish people always feel like, and they will always feel that way. You guys feel like you have the superior opinion

Oh boy look who's talking

	23-01-2003 19:10									#54
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quote: It's something leftish people always feel like, and they will always feel that way. You guys feel like you have the superior opinion.

Both sides act superior, simply because they think they're right, but that doens't mean they think they're superior. It's just another belief system.

	23-01-2003 19:19									#55
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quote: CyberShy: quote: It's something leftish people always feel like, and they will always feel that way. You guys feel like you have the superior opinion

quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Oh boy look who's talking

quote me.......
quote one of my superior attitude lines.

or is this just another cheap reply?

quote: The party with the fewest principles and the loosest ideology won once again. Christian my ass...

you obviously are not much different than Heuij.
Cheap lines and soundbites are more easily produced than good argumentated points of view.

	23-01-2003 20:24									#56
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oh really. in what ways can the 21st century CDA possibly be considered to be a christian party? The days of the KVP are long gone...

	23-01-2003 20:36									#57
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marcus, did they find the killer of fortyin? (sp?)
i havent followed upon that sory.

	23-01-2003 21:02									#58
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IIRC, it was an animal rights activist.


gah, it seems that the ZOG's plan to take over the netherlands have failed. well, there is always next year.

quote: i wish we had european politics in america, i want 7 major parties!

believe me, YOU DON'T.

	23-01-2003 21:02									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus he should form a coalition with Labour.

What is Labour's designation?

	23-01-2003 21:21									#60
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 marcus, did they find the killer of fortyin? (sp?) i havent followed upon that sory.

Yea, and he confessed.