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DinoDoc
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AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
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Math 'phobia' is introduced into equation An Italian court lets a girl's failing grade slide. Educators say that doesn't compute.
By Eric J. Lyman
USA TODAY
ROME -- Skipping an entire math course with a note from a doctor may strike mathphobes as the ultimate fantasy. Now an Italian court has decreed that fantasy a reality.
In a landmark case recently argued before the Tar, a regional court that deals with social matters, Viviana, a high school junior at the Da Vinci school in the northern Italian city of Trento, won the right to start her final year of school despite a failing grade in math. Usually, failing a subject would mean having to repeat a grade.
Her defense? Her lawyers said she has an ''irreversible psychological pathology'' -- basically, math phobia -- a condition the court determined made it impossible for her to study and master the subject.
Some Italian educators say the court's decision could set a precedent that would allow students to skip studies they find too difficult.
Most details about Viviana, including her family name, have been kept private. But the records show that she is a good student in most areas aside from mathematics and that her studies focused on letters rather than science, where math would have been more important. On the Italian 10-point grading scale, she scored a 7 to 9 in all of her courses except math, in which she scored a 3. A score of at least 6 is necessary to pass any subject.
Unless, of course, courts rule that the student has a psychological pathology against the subject.
According to Italian legal experts, the court ruling was not without merit. Aldo Sandulli, a law professor at the University of Urbino who reviewed the case, says the court's decision takes into account a variety of factors, including the opinions of expert psychologists, the student's grades in other courses and the alternatives available. Furthermore, he says, the court's decision was only a recommendation; it left the final decision up to the school.
''It is not as clear-cut as it might seem because this is complicated: For example, the student has done well in other areas, and (mathematics) is not an area of emphasis for her,'' Sandulli says. ''The court had to weigh the grave loss of a year of school against other factors.''
But some educators viewed the case in a harsher light.
Anna Ferraris, a developmental psychologist with Rome's Sapienza University, says that although it is true that certain students can have an unusually hard time with specific subject areas, letting students pass a grade without mastering a core subject was a less-than-ideal solution, and the fact that the Tar agreed to rule on the case presented its own set of problems.
''On one hand, it worries me that the court rather than the school has made a public decision in this case,'' Ferraris says. ''And on the other hand, the decision supports a kind of stigma surrounding students who are held back a year. Educators should stress that just because a student repeats a grade, it doesn't mean that the student isn't smart.
''Then there's the problem that if this sets a precedent, then students in the future may claim some kind of pathology against other subjects, like history or science.''
In the USA, educators are equally critical of the decision.
Johnny Lott, president of the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics, says the school should have tried putting Viviana in a substitute course such as economics, computer science or physics that might have been easier for her while still maintaining what he called the ''intellectual honesty'' of the curriculum.
''Students should be taking more math classes, not fewer,'' Lott says. ''If a student has some kind of block against math, that means the school should try harder to reach that student; simply allowing the student to pass without a sufficient score in math is not an alternative I can recommend.
''We all need a certain amount of math literacy to function in the world, and that must come from the schools.'' |
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:25
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Ooh, I have math phobia! And science phobia too. Not to mention foreign language phobia.
Ah **** it. Lemme just take nothing but history and government courses!
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Ramo
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:25
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That said, in order to function in the world, you do need a working knowledge of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Beyond that can be useful, but is not necessary, imo. |
In order to function in the world, you don't need to know much history, geography, literature, foreign languages, etc., etc. Does that mean students shouldn't learn these topics?
Not only is math incredibly useful (certainly at pre-college levels) in a wide variety of areas, practically and commercially, it establishes the foundations of one's analytical skills, which is always useful.
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That doesn't mean he needs math, just the people who built it. |
I think Eden's point is that without adequate mathematical knowledge among the general public, he wouldn't be using a computer.
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:25
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I hated math and was no good at it..but the army decided to put me in mortars where the ability to calculate trajectory was needed in order to avoid killing your own ppl or innocent civilians. Man that kept me up nights going over it and over it. They should have made me a regular soldier or a sniper. I am a great shot.
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Dr. A. Cula
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That's just bullcrap.
Romanian scholls also grade from 1 to 10.
My sister is also very much letters-oriented, and she always scored 9 to 10 in all letters-related subjects, while scoring 7 to 9 in all maths-related subjects, and she never complained about it. She even spent a year in an Italian university, then said all courses there were extremely simple compared to what she to go through in during her studies at a Romanian university.
I worked for some time in Italy and all my Italian co-workers were amazed at the fact that I was able to obtain an engineering diploma at 24.
I think it's the school system. It's so bad it encourages students to be lazy and find ways to cheat it.
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tandeetaylor
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Las Vegas
Apr 2001
time: 21:25
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Originally posted by Dissident
most girls hate math. |
Really? I think most PEOPLE hate math.
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