08-03-2003 06:08									#481
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quote: Originally posted by srholmes This morning I received an email saying they were giving everyone 25% of their monthly fee back for March, but all I really wanted was access. I am sure it would be cheaper for them to have free dial-up backup than lose $15 a month.

Yes, the 25% rebate came about as a result of Telstra being bombarded with complaints. It started after the huge January outage. And it only happened because of the volume of complaints. Left to themselves, Telstra would simply have, typically, ignored a trickle of complaints.

I assume you're using the Telstra launch pad? I was constantly losing my connection - as against the system being down - through the Telstra launch pad. I haven't had a connection problem - or a system problem - for weeks now with the custom-built launcher I installed. Telstra acknowledges problems with its launch pad but don't appear to be doing anything about it. Which is typical. There are custom launchers available for both Mac and PC. It might be worth your while checking out one of them.

The biggest problem with the Telstra launcher is that it operates on a "heartbeat" system. A message is sent to your computer every (from memory) 5 minutes. If it doesn't get a response, you lose your connection. Telstra is the only broadband supplier to use this system. The custom-built launchers - the Mac one anyway - circumvent this problem.

	08-03-2003 06:11									#482
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quote: Originally posted by SuperSneak Is that how whining is spelled in Australia?

Interesting one, this one. Arguably there should be an "e" in it - whingeing - but I don't think there's a definitive spelling. To whinge is to grizzle.

	08-03-2003 06:18									#483
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In such cases both are usually allowed. I would spell it 'whingeing' though.

	08-03-2003 06:31									#484
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quote: Originally posted by SuperSneak Is that how whining is spelled in Australia?

Is that how spelt is spelt in America?

	08-03-2003 06:35									#485
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike In such cases both are usually allowed. I would spell it 'whingeing' though.

Yes, the "e" softens the "g".

	08-03-2003 06:35									#486
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Finbar, where did you get your custom-built launcher from?

I am using the Telstra one and it does often drop out, or also say that it has when it hasn't. Thanks to you explanation I now understand why.

	08-03-2003 06:37									#487
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike In such cases both are usually allowed. I would spell it 'whingeing' though.

It just doesn't look right to me when spelt with an 'e'. Both are allowed, according to Websters dictionary, though.

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quote: Originally posted by trev We had sufficient players for a game tonight but some stuff about Mrs Horse having a birthday tomorrow was enough to make Mr Horse retire. So no game unfortunately and another wasted night

Jeez, you could have played without me.

I'm beginning to think the telecoms infrastructure down here in Canberra must be superb. I use a dial up and noone complains much about lag when I host.

Its probably a side benefit of living in a city which hosts government agencies like Defence that need state of the art communications infrastructure. We're on the same grid.

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Why would we start yet another game with a combination of players who would never be able to finish the game?

You should have posted you couldn't play

	08-03-2003 11:20									#490
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quote: Originally posted by srholmes Finbar, where did you get your custom-built launcher from?

Are you Mac or PC? If Mac, I can give you a link to the launcher. If PC, I'll find one for you.

Edit. Here's a link to a page that will tell you all about how to solve the problem. If you're on a Mac, it's the "Launcher" application that I installed.

Another edit. And here's a link to where you can download the launchers for both Mac and PC. Look in the right hand column, under "Inside BigPond Broadband", under "Login Clients (Cable)".

quote: I am using the Telstra one and it does often drop out, or also say that it has when it hasn't. Thanks to you explanation I now understand why.

I would get a dozen messages a day telling me I'd lost connection when I hadn't. Then, usually during Civ games, I would lose connection. Because, as I discovered, of the "heartbeat" thing. None of this happens with the custom-built launcher.

	08-03-2003 11:22									#491
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quote: Originally posted by srholmes It just doesn't look right to me when spelt with an 'e'. Both are allowed, according to Websters dictionary, though.

Funnily enough, I think it looks better with an "e". I always think it must sound like "winging" minus the "e". But, as you say, it's optional.

	08-03-2003 17:44									#492
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Glad to see some sense on the 'e' useage front.

Btw don't make the whole sentences hyperlinks, just the "here's" is neater IMO.

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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Btw don't make the whole sentences hyperlinks, just the "here's" is neater IMO.

Who asked you? I like blue ink.

	08-03-2003 19:04									#494
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You can write your posts in blue if you want. Making the whole post a hyperlink to make it blue would be somewhat hamfisted.

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So am I to understand that I'm talking about the universally known word "whine", and you are talking about some word spelled "whing", which I am assuming is the Australian cousin of "whine"?

	09-03-2003 02:02									#496
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It's whinge, and it just means the same as whine. We use it in England as well.

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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike You can write your posts in blue if you want. Making the whole post a hyperlink to make it blue would be somewhat hamfisted.

I have a Masters in it, I'm working towards my PhD.

	09-03-2003 04:21									#498
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quote: Originally posted by finbar I have a Masters in it, I'm working towards my PhD.

In hamfistedness?

* DrSpike bemoans the proliferation of hokum degrees in today's world.

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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike In hamfistedness?

Yse. See? That earns me Honours in Hamfisted Typing 101.

quote: DrSpike bemoans the proliferation of hokum degrees in today's world.

I suspect you're an ideal candiate for my Degree Course in Pomposity Pricking. Care to enrol? You can never have too many qualifications.

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quote: Originally posted by SuperSneak So am I to understand that I'm talking about the universally known word "whine", and you are talking about some word spelled (sic) "whing", which I am assuming is the Australian cousin of "whine"?

Yes, it is an entirely distinct, albeit similar, word.


Here is a useful link you may find interesting....

	09-03-2003 07:29									#501
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and thus ends another Aussie thread - on something close to every Australian's heart - grammar

Ming please close.

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so did Mrs Horse have a good birthday ?

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Time for a new one