29-01-2003 07:58									#31
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i find this 'sudden' new information on Iraq a bit hard to swallow

	29-01-2003 07:59									#32
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You just can't please some people, I guess. I think it's been a really good speech so far...

	29-01-2003 07:59									#33
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What? That wasn't convincing enough for you?

Traitor!

	29-01-2003 08:00									#34
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quote: Originally posted by orange i find this 'sudden' new information on Iraq a bit hard to swallow

Yeah, Bush is presenting some great new evidence. It really convinces me. Seriously

	29-01-2003 08:01									#35
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he needs to stop saying "God"

	29-01-2003 08:03									#36
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Wow. This speech REALLY blew me away

A reluctant war, he calls it......

That was horrible. I was expecting at least SOMETHING more, but....No evidence for the people, I suppose

	29-01-2003 08:07									#37
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State of the Union speeches are completely unwatchable for one reason - a freakin' standing ovation after every two sentences!!! When did that rediculous tradition start?!?

	29-01-2003 08:08									#38
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i agree, Kontiki....when I'm president I'll ask them to hold their applause until the end

	29-01-2003 08:09									#39
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What surprised me was that Hillary Clinton gave him a standing ovation. Who knows, maybe the Senate is planning to make Bush go the way of Caesar...

	29-01-2003 08:09									#40
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When I am Emperor, I will tell them to hold their applause until the end.

Or else.

	29-01-2003 08:15									#41
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State of the Union speeches are completely unwatchable for one reason - a freakin' standing ovation after every two sentences!!! When did that rediculous tradition start?!?
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Ever since FDR started it.

FYI: I'm a registered Independent.

Well, with the exception of the malpractice lawsuit cap, he did okay. I lost my case for mal practice because Tom Ridge was threatening to put a moritorium on it and so my lawyer dropped me and two months later my 3 year limit was up.


Tass: This speech wasn't suppose to be a "new evidence" speech. Don't you watch the news? Powell is doing that next week.

	29-01-2003 08:25									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Thrawn05 Tass: This speech wasn't suppose to be a "new evidence" speech. Don't you watch the news? Powell is doing that next week..

There was a rumor going around that Bush would present new evidence in the speech.

I was hoepful.....

	29-01-2003 08:39									#43
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There was a rumor going around that Bush would present new evidence in the speech.

I was hoepful.....
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This speech is laying the foundations from which Powell will build upon.

Another problem I have with Bush is with AIDS, Africa is a mess. It's not a money problem it's a cultural and language problem. In africa, you're not a man if you wear a condom. And it's practicly impossible to adress this issue since there are dozens of languages in a single "country" alone. (I put country in quotes because they change every week, and are usualy always in civil war). This is just my opinion, but if Bush is going to do this he should know better then to just send money, which NEVER sees it's way to the people it is intended to.

	29-01-2003 08:39									#44
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oh man...listening to the callers on CSPAN is hilarious...

some republican just called and blamed Iraq for the attack on the World Trade Centre

	29-01-2003 08:45									#45
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oh man...listening to the callers on CSPAN is hilarious...

some republican just called and blamed Iraq for the attack on the World Trade Centre
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This is why I'm watching FNC, since I like Brit.

First it was the Jews now it's Iraq who caused 9/11
Both the far left AND the far right are idiots.

I recall a reporter who found a link between Tim McVee and an Iraqi offical in the Phillipines, but the FBI confiscated her stuff and sat on it. This was when Clinton was still pres BTW.

	29-01-2003 08:58									#46
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Fairly competant but no really memorable lines or inspiring rhetoric. But what really surprised me was all the big spending new programs he was proposing, especially the $15 billion for African AIDs where did that come from?

	29-01-2003 08:59									#47
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Just once, I'd like to see a President just send the sppech to Congress via messenger like they used to.

	29-01-2003 09:04									#48
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The usual crap. Promises and more promises. You know I will retire in 40 years and Drug prices will still be an issue. I dont have much faith in bush in domestic issue's. Loved his play on the economy, what a joke. The only new jobs being created are at drive thru's. Nothing worth spouting about.

IMO, His bit about Iraq sounded like there was a Casus Bell. I think War is only a few weeks away.

	29-01-2003 09:12									#49
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quote: In africa, you're not a man if you wear a condom

I've looked at this sentence for a while and I still can't work out how this is anatomically possible given the meaning of "wear".

	29-01-2003 09:14									#50
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quote: This tax relief is for everyone who pays income taxes, and it will help our economy immediately. Ninety-two million Americans will keep this year an average of almost $1,100 more of their own money. A family of four with an income of $40,000 would see their federal income taxes fall from $1,178 to $45 per year.

Where does he get this from?

	29-01-2003 09:14									#51
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quote: Just once, I'd like to see a President just send the sppech to Congress via messenger like they used to.

Or have him video conference in from his ranch
Also would like to see a pres to tell everyone to sit down and shut up and camera people who didn't ALWAYS zoom in to a face of the appropriate ethnic groups during the applause (for example AIDs spending annoucement is brought to you by a black guy looking confused and happy)

	29-01-2003 09:16									#52
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quote: Where does he get this from?

That's the child tax credit increase at work, work out to actually make taxation more progressive surprisingly enough (although only for breeders of course ).

	29-01-2003 09:18									#53
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Iam in favor of the child tax credit (About the only one I am in favor of)

Jon Miller

	29-01-2003 09:20									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko (although only for breeders of course ).

How can we cut taxes for homos?

	29-01-2003 09:21									#55
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GOOD speech

Bush does tend to give pretty good speeches. I thought his tax proposals were great, and I really liked his spending ideas (especially money for Africa and hydrogen power research). He laid out the case for going against Iraq fairly well too (to the point where I'm on the fence now).

	29-01-2003 09:22									#56
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"How can we cut taxes for homos?"


Subsidize Hair Gel

	29-01-2003 09:24									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui He laid out the case for going against Iraq fairly well too (to the point where I'm on the fence now).

Ok, now I'm kicking myself for missing the speech. It had to have been damn good considering how strong your opposition was.

	29-01-2003 09:27									#58
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oh c'mon Imran, I'm in awe that such crap was able to change the mind of an Intelligent guy like you

	29-01-2003 09:31									#59
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quote: It had to have been damn good considering how strong your opposition was.

Thougth that was the weakest part of the speech, especially the endless repetition bit.

	29-01-2003 09:32									#60
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bingo, and the made up 'facts'