02-02-2003 17:42									#1
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I've been following along with the issues here (thank you MarkG & Friends for making a private forum for us here!), and I figure that regardless of what type of system we enact to rule and make team decisions, we first off need to find out Who is willing to take a leadership role in the game here?.

When I say "who is willing?" it means basically, who has the time, who is willing to put in effort to put the time into the game, and who is available to do such a thing?

Speaking for myself, I can only participate (for the time being, and the next 6 months maybe) purely as a citizen and possibly advisor, so I am in no shape now for a leadership role, due to my limited time available.

But who is? Sign your name here and declare what good you are!

Meshelic

sorry if it doesn't make any sense, I am still a little...spent from a birthday celebration, and drunken with a mighty....ah nevermind.....

	02-02-2003 20:59									#2
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I respectfully decline. I do have the time to put into it - but I sincerely believe some of the better known and longer-standing members should lead us in the early days.

Also - if you recall the early days of the ptw-demo game there were a number of 'game' issues which arose. I will continue to be the contact with the other teams on game issues - and to that end, I would prefer a less involved role on our team, at least to start.

	03-02-2003 01:55									#3
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Good thing if someone wants to register as a candidate!
Just read this to get a general picture of the democratic leader we need. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...908#post1687392

	03-02-2003 02:14									#4
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Exams are coming to a close for me so i will be avalible for more "internal" jobs like SMC or FAM.

(to give me more experice and a higher post count)

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	04-02-2003 01:02									#5
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Ooh, ooh, pick me!

	04-02-2003 03:19									#6
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ok you can be grand admiral here! , here is ur navy.

(thud looks out on a row boat with an archer)

Thud: oh goody.....

	04-02-2003 05:28									#7
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In all seriousness guys, I really hope a number of people step forward.

Obviously we'll need people in a position of leadership in these key areas:

Who leads us (ie, plays the saves)

Economics
Domestics (ie Public Works, Expansion, City Planning)
Military (tactical leaders, advisors, coordinators
Foreign Affairs (guys who know the psychology of this game inside and out, what the best deals are, how to handle foreign policies

There are many more.

I suggest everyone who CAN list the traits that they wish to pursue, whether it's a more military approach, or an economic, or industrial, or whatever. Somehow this needs to be organized.

I won't be available too often anymore, but I will step forward and say that I can take a role in Military and Foreign Policies. That's all I've got, I'm not an expert in Economics or that stuff.

WE NEED LEADERS DAMMIT!

Thanks.

Mesh

	04-02-2003 06:04									#8
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I would volunteer (would require nullifying committment with SPDG), but I'm just plain bad with the game beginning.

I think the domestic ministry would of course be small (1p) in the beginning... except for maybe expansion. Military would only need to be large-ish until we have enough units to fight. Foreign affairs, on the other hand, would need to be large.

	04-02-2003 06:50									#9
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I would like to work in the Eonomics departement. Now that we have human players, they would be willing to pay more for special and stratigic resorces to avoid war weriness and be able to produce stronger units. If we are on a continent we must be sure to control atleast 60% of all its resources by any means nececary. Hopefully we will gain bountiful land. We should build our Civ based on the idea that A monopoly of resorces is everything. If we for example control the enitre worlds source of iron, no other civ would dare go to war with us if they didnt have iron and we did, it would be practicly suicied. I know i'm thinking prematurly but for a plan like this the main research goals would be iron working and map making. .... we should begin to make other long term plans like this now to be ready. We dont want to die in the ancient era do we.

	04-02-2003 10:02									#10
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Well, I know I don't have the experience in DGs that many of the other people here have, but I'd like to think I'm serving my team well in the PtW DG...

But, I'd be more than willing to help in any way I can. My areas of specialization are Domestic planning and military matters.

	04-02-2003 18:08									#11
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After reading Mr Mayor's post, I'm convinced that we should play it all out on a small map.

(It just can't be a more exciting start)


BTW: I would like to volunteer for some military position,
or some foreign affairs job.
Hmm, should diplomats be elected or appointed?

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	05-02-2003 00:10									#12
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I would advocate appointing diplomats. But then, I want to be doing the appointing...

	05-02-2003 01:15									#13
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Then YOU have to run for the Big Boss job, Thud.


Or... diplomat appointing could be done by a group of people.
e.g. an executive board, or a foreign affairs commitee.
That would be more fair to the applicants, than just one individual as the sole appointer.

	05-02-2003 06:18									#14
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ThePlagueRat,
The idea of a board is very interesting -- but then how are the members of the board picked? Would they be elected, appointed, or what?

-- adaMada

	05-02-2003 08:05									#15
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I would like to be involved in Domestics and Military.

	05-02-2003 09:32									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 I would volunteer (would require nullifying committment with SPDG), but I'm just plain bad with the game beginning.

Same here, and I would really like to continue my work in the SPDG - perhaps even till the end of the game (which isn't too far away; we're approaching the Modern era).

Besides, we seem to have some of Apolyton's better players here, so I'm looking forward to learning more on the early game from the masters.

	05-02-2003 17:30									#17
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I really hate quoting myself but since nobody responded to my suggestion (positive or negative) I'm going to repeat it here:

quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Since he is officially member of our team, I suggest electing MarkG as Honorary President of Apolyton in this demogame (of course, unless he is willing and has the time to accept more responsibility within the team).

I know this is not very important and there are more urgent things to do, but it would be a sign of appreciaton for Markos, our spiritual leader

	05-02-2003 17:52									#18
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I thought Ceremonial Burial was a pre-requisite for spiritual leaders...

I'm all for it though.

	05-02-2003 18:38									#19
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We all worship the great CIVILIZATION game , therefor we are a religious community and possess the knowledge of Ceremonial Burial

Of course, instead of the Honorary President title, we could just name MarkG the Apolyton Intersite Team's GOD

	05-02-2003 21:38									#20
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That would need to wait until Monotheism though! Er... Apolytheism... (it 'works' on so many levels )

	06-02-2003 12:46									#21
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*Thinks*

	06-02-2003 12:56									#22
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If there were three, I would stand up to be a player.

If there are less than three, I could not do it.

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	06-02-2003 13:00									#23
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*Sigh*

You people are simply too much to resist.

I'm throwing my chips in for President.

Gimme a few days to get acquainted with everything that's going on... Right now I have about 15 minutes to myself every day, but tomorrow I have the entire afternoon off.

	06-02-2003 13:56									#24
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Sorry Trip, but my money is on someone else.
In another thread, the qualities of our leader were discussed. He needs to be a good player. Firm but listenes to the people. He has to be organized to give info to the masses and still be able to make heads and tails of everything going on. I am not sure if this is where nominations go, but I'm doing it anyway.

1st Choice: Aeson
I have never seen scores like he has gotten (even when cheating). Simply amamzing. However, that was against the AI. Humans will be different. Also, am not really familier with how well he would listen to the people (sorry, guy. All I know about you is your numbers). Despite these negitives, his numbers are too big to ignore.

2nd Choice: Arnelos
I have never seen the SPDG run as smoothly as it did under Arnelos. Information was always available and he was always listening to the people. He is very through and explains his actions. He has shown me to be the best diplomat in the SPDG (him or Unorthodox, wherever he dissapeard to). An ideal candidate.

Now Arnelos, before you go touting about how you don't have time for this and the SPDG and the PTWteam game, lets just remember that this intersite game is MUCH more important than the PTWteam game.

	06-02-2003 15:45									#25
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What we also need is an information system to get the people involved 100%.

In the C3DG, if information was missing or incomplete, you would just go around and ask for it. This took a little time, but you could get your info before the next chat. It was no problem if the Game Report or the next map appeared only the next day. And if too much info was missing or if there was too much confusion or disagreement - people would delay the chat.

In the PTW DG, the various teams are small enough to come to a quick decision fairly easily. No need for a huge system when there are only a relative small number of active members involved.

But things are different here. These will be the Olympic Games of Civilization, and at such an event, you will have to perform 100%. There will simply not be enough time to find all relevant information, discuss everything into detail, or make a poll that runs over several days. Sometimes, decisions have to be made VERY quickly, and everyone involved will want to have the feeling that they can throw in their 2 cents, too. Barbarians will come along, offers will be made, war will be declared, and there is no way we can delay the passing of time.

This calls for a good flow of information. It is the government's responsibility to provide this information. We have the Forum to report and discuss things. We'll need to set up a quicker means of communication (instant messaging, email, chat, you name it). We'll need reports. We'll need maps. And - we'll need someone to organize all this.

I hereby propose the Ministry of Information. The Minister of Information will take of all things I named above, without any formal role regarding the game itself (he will be very involved, of course). Think of this Minister as the oil in the engine of civilization. He will have several people to help him. Someone needs to do reports. Someone needs to do maps. You get the point.

Do not underestimate the amount of information that will come upon you when the game starts!

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	06-02-2003 16:08									#26
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster I hereby propose the Ministry of Information. The Minister of Information will take of all things I named above, without any formal role regarding the game itself (he will be very involved, of course). Think of this Minister as the oil in the engine of civilization. He will have several people to help him. Someone needs to do reports. Someone needs to do maps. You get the point. Do not underestimate the amount of information that will come upon you when the game starts! BFM (available)

Very good idea !

	06-02-2003 20:35									#27
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Thanks for the mention donegeal, but I prefer to be a citizen with no real responsibility. The times I would be available to play are very sporadic as well, so I certainly wouldn't make a good choice.

	07-02-2003 03:11									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius I really hate quoting myself but since nobody responded to my suggestion...

Well I think that we can take this silent as a nod

	07-02-2003 04:29									#29
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal 2nd Choice: Arnelos Now Arnelos, before you go touting about how you don't have time for this and the SPDG and the PTWteam game, lets just remember that this intersite game is MUCH more important than the PTWteam game.

He's an invaluable member of my team, but I'm unsure if he'll have the time to lead the Inter-Site game. We've already scaled back his duties on the RP team quite a bit due to his RL responsibilities.

I have nothing but praise for Arnelos's abilities, but we'll have to see if he's willing to throw his hat into the ring here, or play a semi-active part ... as many of us in the PTW-team game seem to be doing.

--Togas

	07-02-2003 04:32									#30
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You guys will probably end up stuck with me again, just like 8 months ago with the first democracy game.