05-03-2003 06:58									#421
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin ze next rezults of the Eagles will giv' us ze opportunity to show him we're naughty boys.

Gee, the only Frenchman with a worse French accent than mine!

quote: The referees of the Six Nations Tournament have also been given similar instructions

You mean the NH refs are policing not pushing too early and pushing straight ahead and on a level plane too? If so, it's obviously coming from the IRB.

	05-03-2003 07:07									#422
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Gee, the only Frenchman with a worse French accent than mine!

quote: You mean the NH refs are policing not pushing too early and pushing straight ahead and on a level plane too? If so, it's obviously coming from the IRB.

Yes, so are the stricter enforcement of the laws related to the tackle zone and the sanctions against the players entering from the size of the mauls and open scrums.

	05-03-2003 07:13									#423
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Any ideas for a new thread title guys?

	05-03-2003 14:06									#424
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quote: Encore une fois!

Beaucoup plus du même svp Tamerlin

quote: I think it's time stopped being kind to Bearcat and dealt with him as brutally as we deal with each other!

It will come in time.

quote: You're quite right. Imagine having to change the sheets in the middle of the night.

A charming image to make my morning coffee all the more pleasant.

quote: Your use of the word "reportedly" is noted.

I should realise careful phrasing will never get by a writer unremarked!

quote: Well, indeed. Sounds like a put-up job, which is a pity.

Yes it is. We are not a club with moral high ground in terms of pushing the laws – it’s well noticed we tend to kill ball and give three rather than seven points at every opportunity. All successful teams do? And the Hand of Backy will not soon be forgotten by Irishmen. But these are player on player things and that’s slightly different. Glaws manipulated the laws outside of actual gameplay to secure a match that was in the balance. It does leave a sour taste. Go Saints!
Tigers have asked for clarification of some points in the RFY judgement – but I think we are just pulling Glaws chain to be honest – I’m sure we will drop it.

quote: A bit liverish. One of my heirloom tomato seedlings keeled over and died. Ungrateful bastard of a thing!

They live such short lives.

quote: Yes, indeed, so I win the argument either way.

Strewth – what with this and the ‘precedent’ line I feel like I played straight man to you yesterday!
You are very right btw – back feet, front row play and lineout tunnels seem under intense scrutiny from all refs right now. No doubt prostituting themselves for an Aussie holiday as you suggest.

quote: HAVAK: "If I wait here long enough it'll come back this way!"

Truly, and uncannily, accurate.

Troy Flavell is a new one on me – a Kiwi I assume? I wonder if I can catch some highlights of the incident (Sky must have an S12 show of some sorts coming up).

quote: like the infamous SA forward I have forgotten the name

James Dalton? Actually very quiet in November compared to his captain – he only threw four or five punches.

quote: though the ones coming from the SH are also striving to hinder the pushes in the scrums. Are the instructions similar in the SH...

Paul Honiss has made an enemy for life I think?

quote: Ditto for me in reference to those NZ-Wales games we were talking about.

I think the expression “hoist by my own petard” can be applied to me here.

quote: Any ideas for a new thread title guys?

“Rugby – Paul Honiss can do no right”?

I can sense Tamerlin’s vote heading that way…

	05-03-2003 17:14									#425
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Beaucoup plus du même svp Tamerlin

*Havak puts the Berlitz back in the bottom drawer*

quote: I should realise careful phrasing will never get by a writer unremarked!

Remember I script edit as well! I have a meticulous eye!

quote: Troy Flavell is a new one on me ? a Kiwi I assume? I wonder if I can catch some highlights of the incident (Sky must have an S12 show of some sorts coming up).

Auckland lock. Capable of some quite good quality play, but has a serious screw loose somewhere in his brain. I remember a season or so ago one of the Kiwi commentators - apropos one of his violent incidents - saying that he hailed from the toughest, most under-privileged part of Auckland. I'm not sure whether he was trying to excuse the behaviour or not. Keep an eye out for any S12 roundups, it's bound to appear.

	05-03-2003 17:25									#426
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Any ideas for a new thread title guys?

Have we exhausted all the obscure technical stuff?

Actually! Apparently the ref's official call now to players in relation to entering the breakdown legally is to "go through the gate".

Rugby - Go Through The Gate!.

Mmmmm. I'll give it some more thought. There must be heaps more obscure technical stuff we can exploit.

	05-03-2003 18:09									#427
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quote: *Havak puts the Berlitz back in the bottom drawer*

Close. Occassionally I remember the correct words without assistance, though of course I assemble my sentences according to the English grammatical form. Well except that last one obviously.

quote: Remember I script edit as well! I have a meticulous eye!

We have indeed seen adequate proof of that.

quote: Keep an eye out for any S12 roundups, it's bound to appear.

Will do. What is it with these locks?

Rugby – Jonno’s Achilles Heel

A clever word play on the nature of his injury and the nature of the man?
Of course it will be a cold day in hell before I get that by Finbar

	05-03-2003 18:39									#428
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Close. Occassionally I remember the correct words without assistance, though of course I assemble my sentences according to the English grammatical form. Well except that last one obviously.

"Fetchez la vache!", indeed.

quote: Rugby ? Jonno?s Achilles Heel A clever word play on the nature of his injury and the nature of the man? Of course it will be a cold day in hell before I get that by Finbar

There's a tautology in there as well.

	06-03-2003 05:26									#429
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Paul Honiss has made an enemy for life I think?

And beyond...

quote: “Rugby – Paul Honiss can do no right”?

No names gentlemen... the world must forget this man.

BtW, the Berlitz should say something like:
"Garçon, remettez-moi la même chose je vous prie" (Waiter, give me the same thing again please).

Fetchez la vache... I can see Mr Honiss walking at the feet of the castle walls, quick! Hurry up!

quote: James Dalton? Actually very quiet in November compared to his captain – he only threw four or five punches.

This one is also guilty of some bad blows though he is not the one I was thinking about, the other was a second or third row of very ill repute... Mark Andrews (I have just remembered his name now).

Rugby - Engage!
Rugby - Gentlemen, don't push!

	06-03-2003 07:39									#430
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin This one is also guilty of some bad blows though he is not the one I was thinking about, the other was a second or third row of very ill repute... Mark Andrews (I have just remembered his name now).

He retired from the Boks to pick up some superannuation with, I think, Newcastle in the English league. And if it is Newcastle, they're back on the bottom of the ladder, so he hasn't been much use.

quote: Rugby - Engage! Rugby - Gentlemen, don't push!

Good stuff!

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quote: Originally posted by Havak Ah it was similar for me too. Minus the running part.

Let me guess. Where you a prop?

quote: No, J****'s not bald. Just lantern-jawed and on the dim side.

Really? For some reason I thought he was bald.

quote: Could be very soon the way our Super 12 teams are playing

At least the Waratahs are doing decent.

quote: Learning too fast for my liking!

quote: See Bearcat, you have ten years to prepare yourself though you have an advantage over Havak, and only a half one over Caligastia, as you are not English...

My mom's family came over a long time ago from England. I don't know if that's for or against me.

quote: Until such time as your forwards become as good as ours or France’s at which time Finbar will try to subvert their superiority with what I would call ‘rose-tinted recall’ as above.

Alot of our players are converts from American football. So they're usually big and everything, but don't have the background or knowledge of the game's nuances that the English or French have. Not to mention, they're used to running and hitting people and than huddling for 15 seconds.

quote: I think it's time stopped being kind to Bearcat and dealt with him as brutally as we deal with each other!

quote: Ye ar' dam' right, ze next rezults of the Eagles will giv' us ze opportunity to show him we're naughty boys.

*dials up the US national coach*

Yeah, that's right. Watch out for the French pulling down the mauls.

Rugby: Run Forward!
Rugby: Ruck Over! Ruck Over!
Rugby: Dawn of the Bulls

	06-03-2003 12:15									#432
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quote: Originally posted by Bearcat Let me guess. Where you a prop?

Havak claims to be a retired tighthead. All we've been able to vouch for thus far is the "tight" bit.

quote: Really? For some reason I thought he was bald.

Now that I think of it, J****'s thatch could be a rug. Which is why he always avoids contact play - afraid the rug might slip.

quote: At least the Waratahs are doing decent.

One out of two. The first one was an absolute shocker.

quote: My mom's family came over a long time ago from England. I don't know if that's for or against me.

Depends how long ago. If there's a Leicestershire accent anywhere still in the family, call it a big minus.

quote: Alot of our players are converts from American football. So they're usually big and everything, but don't have the background or knowledge of the game's nuances that the English or French have. Not to mention, they're used to running and hitting people and than huddling for 15 seconds.

How do they get on actually running into people without all that body armour on?

	06-03-2003 14:02									#433
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My posts are getting increasingly fingered for tautological elements.

quote: "Garçon, remettez-moi la même chose je vous prie"

This is the form I would use to a waiter I didn’t know well? If on the other hand I wanted to ask yourself for more of the same I would say what please?

Mark Andrews did sign for Newcastle – and they won the first two games after he arrived. Since then normal service, as Finbar noted, has been resumed. Did he have a reputation for violence – he has always seemed a ***** cat alongside the England second rows. But then we breed ‘em mean here.

Bearcat – Yep you got me. Though at the risk of ruining Finbar’s observation of my fiscal acuity I played either side. I gave up playing regularly a long time ago and completely after suffering serious back trouble (bit fatal for a front row). I was never that good – just keen. And I would have thought my posting style had provided adequate proof of my coalface status – linear and persistent? Or do I come across as a midfield general organising the team?

quote: My mom's family came over a long time ago from England. I don't know if that's for or against me.

It’s a big plus for you in rugby terms alone. Double points if it was Leicestershire her family came from. England is the birth place of the beautiful game and Leicester it’s spiritual home. Don’t listen to the SH guys when they knock these facts – they are just jealous.

quote: Yeah, that's right. Watch out for the French pulling down the mauls.

They don’t pull down mauls. They just have trouble with their footing on a slippy surface whenever defending against one.

Watch out for their scrum – some refs think they engage with the loose head boring in and upwards. Tamerlin can give you the name of the officials involved.

	06-03-2003 17:03									#434
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quote: Originally posted by Havak My posts are getting increasingly fingered for tautological elements.

So stop tautologising!

quote: And I would have thought my posting style had provided adequate proof of my coalface status ? linear and persistent? Or do I come across as a midfield general organising the team?

I'd like to say you come across - in horseracing parlance - as by Larkham out of Wilko ... and I think the rest is best left unsaid.

A bit of an udate on the unfortunate Troy Flavell, the Auckland lock outed for stomping. I'd quite forgotten, but was reminded by the FoxSports rugby show tonight, that he was once outed for 12 months for eye gouging but the suspension was reduced to 3 weeks on appeal. Enough said.

	06-03-2003 17:09									#435
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quote: Originally posted by Bearcat My mom's family came over a long time ago from England. I don't know if that's for or against me.

You have lost half of your avantage over Havak and don't have one anymore over Caligastia.

Having english origins is an advantage as far as Havak is concerned but seems to be considered as a flaw everywhere in the world as Havak told us englishmen are hated all around the world...

quote: Yeah, that's right. Watch out for the French pulling down the mauls.

This is what many people believe when you have a referee who is systematically penalizing the french scrum or the mauls without a second thought.

You now understand why our opponents' team have an interest in pulling down the mauls and scrums, they know France will be sanctionned whoever the culprit is.

quote: Watch out for their scrum – some refs think they engage with the loose head boring in and upwards. Tamerlin can give you the name of the officials involved.

The name of this infamous official shall not be wrote as it must disappear into the shadows of oblivion.

	06-03-2003 18:02									#436
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quote: So stop tautologising!

I have been trying to.

quote: I'd like to say you come across - in horseracing parlance - as by Larkham out of Wilko ... and I think the rest is best left unsaid.

I honestly don’t get allusions to horse racing. It’s a closed book to me. Still at least that means I cannot take any offence.

Flavell sounds like he has problems – both incidents you have mentioned are out and out offensive actions rather than defensive in any way.

quote: Having english origins is an advantage as far as Havak is concerned but seems to be considered as a flaw everywhere in the world as Havak told us englishmen are hated all around the world...

If not by everyone everywhere?

quote: The name of this infamous official shall not be wrote as it must disappear into the shadows of oblivion.

I’m tempted to say do you mean Mr…. But I will not.

This weekend is hugely important Tamerlin. We have almost a second string out to rest some borderline injuries. It had better not backfire on us.

Come on Les Bleues! Who is the assigned referee? If he is SH I can forsee an angry Tamerlin on Saturday.

	07-03-2003 03:50									#437
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quote: Originally posted by Havak I honestly don?t get allusions to horse racing. It?s a closed book to me. Still at least that means I cannot take any offence.

Mmmmm. Okay. In the horseracing world, breeding shorthand is expressed as "By (the sire) out of (the mare)". Thus my point was that I'd like to say S. Larkham was your father and Wilko your mother - leaving aside all biological realities on the basis that I'm writing metaphorically - thus giving you a decent old pedigree as a backline general ...

Now take offence, for crying out loud! Otherwise I've wasted two posts!

quote: Flavell sounds like he has problems ? both incidents you have mentioned are out and out offensive actions rather than defensive in any way.

He does have problems, unfortunately. He has played for the ABs, and he does have ability. It doesn't even seem to be a temper-related problem. His first defence this time was that it was entirely accidental but the video evidence is to the contrary. His second defence was that he did ruck the player but didn't mean to get him in the head and that he'd been provoked by oppo players in the maul. Now he has apologised and said he won't appeal the sentence.

quote: This weekend is hugely important Tamerlin. We have almost a second string out to rest some borderline injuries. It had better not backfire on us.

Talk about a pre-emptive excuse!

quote: Come on Les Bleues! Who is the assigned referee? If he is SH I can forsee an angry Tamerlin on Saturday.

I wonder where Tamerlin gets his angry pills? They sure work.

	07-03-2003 05:10									#438
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Come on Les Bleues! Who is the assigned referee? If he is SH I can forsee an angry Tamerlin on Saturday.

The referee is from South Agrica: Andre Watson...

At least this is not Mr H*****...

	07-03-2003 05:15									#439
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Talk about a pre-emptive excuse!

Caligastia and you have given him good lessons...

quote: I wonder where Tamerlin gets his angry pills? They sure work.

I don't need any angry pill, I just have to think about England-France and more generally about a SH referee...

	07-03-2003 05:23									#440
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quote: Originally posted by Havak This is the form I would use to a waiter I didn’t know well? If on the other hand I wanted to ask yourself for more of the same I would say what please?

Though a bit colloquial something like:
"Vas-y, remets en une couche!" ("come on, add a new layer!") would do the trick.

quote: Mark Andrews did sign for Newcastle – and they won the first two games after he arrived. Since then normal service, as Finbar noted, has been resumed. Did he have a reputation for violence – he has always seemed a ***** cat alongside the England second rows. But then we breed ‘em mean here.

This man is a very tough player, he would go along well with Butch "Butcher" James and could be nicknamed the "Hammer".

quote: They don’t pull down mauls. They just have trouble with their footing on a slippy surface whenever defending against one.

Isn't it an Australian specificity?

	07-03-2003 06:39									#441
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin "Vas-y"

That's interesting. I know it's colloquial, but it's the second person singular of aller, isn't it. And y in other contexts means, amongst other things, "there", doesn't it? And colloquially, it turns into "Come on!". Ain't language a grand thing.

	07-03-2003 06:42									#442
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Caligastia and you have given him good lessons...

We have! Our dealings with Havak are worthy of Pavlov and his experiments!

	07-03-2003 06:44									#443
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin The referee is from South Agrica: Andre Watson...

He's said to be the best all-round SH ref. He's been called too pedantic in his time, so I'm not sure what will happen if he starts applying these new IRB directives.

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quote: Originally posted by Havak It’s a big plus for you in rugby terms alone. Double points if it was Leicestershire her family came from. England is the birth place of the beautiful game and Leicester it’s spiritual home. Don’t listen to the SH guys when they knock these facts – they are just jealous.

I think one of the guys from way back came over from Sheffield. He was a knifemaker. I guess Sheffield is well known for that.

quote: They don’t pull down mauls. They just have trouble with their footing on a slippy surface whenever defending against one.

Oh, I see

	07-03-2003 12:19									#445
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Any ideas for a new thread title guys?

In line with the present one - Rugby: The Northern Hemisphere Strikes Back.


Or, to take another tack - Rugby: Southern Hemisphere Triumphant!
(Maybe this last should be reserved until after the RWC )

	07-03-2003 12:52									#446
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quote: Originally posted by finbar A bit of an udate on the unfortunate Troy Flavell, the Auckland lock outed for stomping. I'd quite forgotten, but was reminded by the FoxSports rugby show tonight, that he was once outed for 12 months for eye gouging but the suspension was reduced to 3 weeks on appeal. Enough said.

More unfortunate for the Blues that he's back I'd say. Oy.
On the other hand - 52 weeks down to 3? Warney could have used such an appeals process.

	07-03-2003 15:34									#447
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quote: Now take offence, for crying out loud! Otherwise I've wasted two posts!

Rest easy tonight. I am offended – suggesting I have the genetics to be a ‘Girlie’ indeed.

I should have been able to work out the reference as well of course – which is more embarassing.

quote: Now he has apologised and said he won't appeal the sentence.

Which seems right. Lame justifications there all right.

quote: Talk about a pre-emptive excuse!

To be honest Finbar I would expect Newcastle to handle Italy even if Wilko was on the bench. I was just pointing out it’s an experimental side in some ways. The fullback in particular, Josh Lewsey, has leap frogged the expected man Stimpson. Lewsey is quick and lethal in space but he is 26, has only seven caps, and has always worried me defensively. It’s a conservative choice with an eye on Scotland and Ireland to come I think – to avoid his solid back up fullback getting mauled by the Azzuri?

No need to ask who you will be supporting?

quote: Caligastia and you have given him good lessons...

Nice line.

Vas-y, remets en une couche!

You see I can take you advice without starting a debate on the phrase.

Watson is not too bad as I recall – he can’t be as out and out dire as Honiss or Walsh – can he?

quote: Isn't it an Australian specificity?

All our teams do it. Australians, as with so many things, simply do it better perhaps?

quote: Our dealings with Havak are worthy of Pavlov and his experiments!

Far worthier at times.

quote: He's been called too pedantic in his time

David McHugh pedantic? I can’t see it. As I say I think he is okay myself. Most of the time.

quote: I think one of the guys from way back came over from Sheffield. He was a knifemaker. I guess Sheffield is well known for that.

The boys probably do not know this but Havak did his Undergrad time at Sheffield, and lived there for four years on and off. Still has friends there and loves the city.

Basically Bearcat you are digging a real hole with Finbar here I think.

quote: Oh, I see

You will note Tamerlin disagrees with me.

quote: In line with the present one - Rugby: The Northern Hemisphere Strikes Back. Or, to take another tack - Rugby: Southern Hemisphere Triumphant! (Maybe this last should be reserved until after the RWC)

But it could be embarassing to use that after the England-France final?

And for the former it has promise – but given England are number one (haven’t mentioned that for a few days?) it probably needs to be SH strikes back ready for the RWC warm up games?

Huge weekend of rugger – Ireland v France first tomorrow followed by the wooden spoon game (Wales-Scotland). And then Sunday England-Italy. Better get some more beer in (only have a case).

I’m backing France and England of course. And…Scotland I think on balance. Surprise anyone there?

	07-03-2003 16:20									#448
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quote: Originally posted by finbar That's interesting. I know it's colloquial, but it's the second person singular of aller, isn't it.

Yes, nothing to add here except that the main colloquial part of the sentence is in the second part "remets en une couche". "Vas-y" is not really colloquial in itself, it just means "come on" or "do it"...

quote: ...and y in other contexts means, amongst other things, "there", doesn't it? And colloquially, it turns into "Come on!".

True, "y" is often used to avoid a repetition and means "there" or "it" as in the following sentences:

Mom: "Ton père n'accepte pas ton engagement dans l'Infanterie Mobile" (your father does not accept your enlistment in the Mobile Infantry).
Ricoh: "Il faudra bien qu'il s'y fasse" (he will have to go along with it).

...

Federal Network: "Voulez-vous en savoir plus?" (do you want to know more?)

quote: Ain't language a grand thing.

Yes, it is...

	07-03-2003 16:43									#449
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Vas-y, remets en une couche!

You can count on me!

quote: Watson is not too bad as I recall – he can’t be as out and out dire as Honiss or Walsh – can he?

I would have preferred something like: "Watson is rather good..."

quote: All our teams do it. Australians, as with so many things, simply do it better perhaps?

quote: You will note Tamerlin disagrees with me.

Yes I am!

quote: But it could be embarassing to use that after the England-France final?

We will remind them in time.

quote: I’m backing France and England of course. And…Scotland I think on balance. Surprise anyone there?

I would have bet it, of course you don't have any interest in France winning against Ireland...

	07-03-2003 16:56									#450
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quote: You can count on me!

I have total faith in you.

quote: I would have preferred something like: "Watson is rather good..."

You know me – the glass is half empty not half full.

quote: I would have bet it, of course you don't have any interest in France winning against Ireland...

I am a true neutral favouring the side I think plays better Rugby more consistently.

Honest.