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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:25
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I don't think thats a good idea, I mean, this game is not supposed to be a historical "what if". It'd be no fun if every country acted the exact way it did in history.
If I took your approch then I'd voluntarily retire every game after 1520 (I play as the Aztecs usually)
Last edited by Master Zen on 12-02-2003 at 11:14
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Traelin
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Miami, FL, US
Nov 2001
time: 00:25
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Originally posted by Kingof the Apes
Yes. They influenced history way more than the Polynesians.
My civs woud be:
Inca
Isreal
Ethiopia
Maybe the Dutch |
I agree wholeheartedly with your list. But I'd say definitely the Dutch.
1. Dutch
2. Israel
3. Incas
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brianshapiro
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Berkeley
Nov 2001
time: 21:25
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do you really think israel was a competitive empire
cultural influence isnt the only criteria
having israel in against france, US, and rome, will just feel silly
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pedrojedi
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of old men bearing big Ankhs
Nov 2002
time: 02:25
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The poor little person, now he's gone. Even with every one giving more and more arguments, trying to enlighten his thought; even with help of non-latinoamericans friends; none could really save his poor little mind out of juvenile trolling, meaningless provocation, lies and deceit, and so on and on and on. We were nice. We were NOT so nice. Well, let the poor one grow and get some knowledge. This thread has far gone off-topic long ago.
The Dutch would be a nice touch (wow, rimes!).  I don't agree that should exist Israel, though: judaic culture far exceeds the rather small frontiers of Israel, as Judaic faith exists pretty much the "same" way for almost 6000 years; influencing much of the history of the world in one way or the other. Taking their ancestors, Hebrews or Caanites would fit better, I think.
My "personal" position about this is that the true judaic nation lies in no land, but in the people's hearts and traditional knowledge. And thousands of years of wisdom, passed forth with each generation.
And to fill the Oceania, I think I would adopt the Aborigines as a good representant of their lands: very known, very important for australians. At least I think so.
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South killer
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Hello, I'm back from my 3 day trip:
About that little kid who calls himself xarxo:
The pourpose of my 1st post was to show my dissagreement and that all most important cultures of ALL the parts of the world should be included. I mean, a game like civ 3 should represent every culture of every part of the world. I'm not saying we should include every latinamerican country of the world but to say we should at least include ONE to represent all latin america.Also, 1 post colonial african country should be there and 1 (or more) native africans and americans(continent). About that you said that latinamerican countries didn't do anything in world history i dissagree: First of all, you don't know that much of LA to criticize and second argentina, for example, has invented a lot of things that are common today for example: The bus (or colectivo), the ballpen(o birome), we did the first bypass heart surgery and more, and i'm sure other LA countries made their mark also.
so, get back home little kid, and LEARN before you talk.
Now, getting back on topic:
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I would choose Polynesians over the aboriginies. You could actually give the polynesians a (somewhat) recognizable UU and certainly recognizable leaders; the aboriginies also never seemed to have been centrailized or even settled. One wonders whether they even qualify as a "civilization" in the sense of the term. |
I totally agree.
I think polinesyans and israel are important to add but i'm not sure about the dutch or the poles. They weren't THAT important and europe is already very crowded with germany, england, france, etc.
I agree about Zaire and i also want..... TIBET
come on, that would be really cool.
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cyclotron7
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Drowning in Schnitzel
Jan 2001
time: 21:25
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When you start a civilization in Civ1/2/3, you start off with the capability of forming towns, irrigation, roads, and mines. Aboriginal culture, while unique and interesting in many regards, had not mastered these vital components of civilization (as defined here) by the time other cultures arrived in Australia.
Polynesians, on the other hand, were more widespread, had centralized government, in many cases practiced farming, and generally lived a sedentary lifestyle. They are a real civilization in the true sense of the term, and if we are to include a civ in Oceania it should be them.
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Traelin
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Miami, FL, US
Nov 2001
time: 00:25
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Originally posted by cyclotron7
Why would Israel be above the Incas? Israel is not necessary for geographical balance, while the Incas are critical. |
Well if you want to include Civs for gameplay reasons, the Incas should be included over Israel. But if you want to include Civs based on overall influence, I'd say Israel. It really is up to the developers to determine which one is the objective. But both should be included.
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Traelin
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Miami, FL, US
Nov 2001
time: 00:25
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Originally posted by Ivellios
Well, yes but it's not like we had a major part in history or something... Sure we had enough colonies (Indonesia, Surinam, South Africa, New Amsterdam), but we're far from being as influential as the Greek or Romans were.
Not that I wouldn't welcome them with open arms though  |
 No way dude, I disagree. They helped shape the colonial world, given that they had the strongest economy for much of that time. The Anglo-Dutch (third, I think) Wars helped reshape the balance of power though. And many people argue that if it weren't for the Dutch, English, French, etc. colonial ambitions, the Western world would be a whole lot different.
Comparing them to the Greeks and Romans is unfair, admittedly. But comparing the Zulus to the Greeks and Romans is also unfair, yet they were included in the original 16 Civs.
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12-02-2003 10:44
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, Zaire , now know as congo kinshasa should be in the game , one of the biggest countries in the world , ..... with a new type of government , dictorship , .....
. They should be able to build coffeeshops at all of their bases that increase the number of happy faces. Incense should also create additional happy faces.
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