10-02-2003 17:43									#31
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I don't think Fisk is anti- American.

	10-02-2003 18:49									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I don't think Fisk is anti- American.

EVERYTHING I have ever read of his has had an Anti-American perspective. Plus, I have never read anything of his that says anything postive about America.

Maybe you have read more of his stuff than I have... but, I've read a lot of his writings.

	10-02-2003 19:26									#33
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I do believe that the situation in Afghanistan could be turned around but it requires a 5 to 10 year commitment that seems to be being lost in the rush to Iraq.

What is the basis for your "seems"? We are to keep ~9,000 troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, the same amount as we've ever had on the ground. In each of '03 and '04 we are spending $625 million in assistance, just as we said we would.

	10-02-2003 19:53									#34
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I do believe that the situation in Afghanistan could be turned around but it requires a 5 to 10 year commitment that seems to be being lost in the rush to Iraq. What is the basis for your "seems"? We are to keep ~9,000 troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, the same amount as we've ever had on the ground. In each of '03 and '04 we are spending $625 million in assistance, just as we said we would.

I am a cynic. I agree that the troops and money will be in Afghanistan for the next 12 to 18 months. After that Afghanistan won't be news, there will be other countries/situations needing aid and there may be a new US president with other priorities.

Time will tell.

	10-02-2003 20:00									#35
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... ah fuggit.

	10-02-2003 21:43									#36
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quote: the majestically conservative Wall Street Journal – normally a beacon of imperial and Israeli policy in the Middle East and South-west Asia

quote: When the Secretary of State held up Iraq's support for the Palestinian Hamas organisation, which has an office in Baghdad, as proof of Saddam's support for "terror'' – there was, of course, no mention of America's support for Israel and its occupation of Palestinian land

Unbiased, objective source?

	10-02-2003 21:53									#37
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I've read enough Fisk to know that he's rabidly anti-American (The Guardian, for instance, just loves him). Like Ming says, that doesn't make him wrong, it just means he has an agenda to push, and you should know that when reading his work.

He's also, as Ming says, very pro-Palestinian (The Lebanon Star carries articles by him all the time. Every single one of them is anti-US/anti-Israel). Again, that doesn't make him wrong, just biased.

Know your source, Horse. If one of the US uberpatriots showed up and posted a bunch of stuff from say... the Washington Times (known right-wing nutjobs), you would react with a strong dose of skepticism. Same as I do with Fisk. If you've read one of his articles... you've read them all.

-Arrian

	10-02-2003 22:04									#38
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Imran:

The WSJ is conservative, is it not?
It often has a pompous, preachy style, has it not?

the "no mention of America's support for Israel and its occupation of Palestinian land" was a jibe that should have fitted in another place, ok.

But he's just spicing up his writing style a bit. Does that really come across as anti-american or biased, compared to the the excessively boring style of US media?

	10-02-2003 22:23									#39
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Taking the place can be done, holding it cannot. Afghanistan has the potential for being another Vietnam, if we don't have the sense to leave. That said, we can always take the place again, and by so doing keep the terrorists off balance and away from our skyscrapers. Rebuilding the place is like rebuilding South Central LA. Just fuel for the next fire...

The difference between Vietnam/Afghanistan and Iraq, AH, is one you know I'm sure...

Terrain, terrain, terrain!


We can hold Iraq forever if we need to.

	10-02-2003 22:33									#40
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"WE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH 1000 AL QUAEDA TERRORISTS THAN WITH A SINGLE AMERICAN"

This sign was prominently displayed in the window of a business in Philadelphia.
You are probably outraged at the thought of such an inflammatory statement.
One would think that anti-hate groups from all
across the country would be marching on this business... And that the National Guard might have to be called to keep the angry crowds back.
But, perhaps in these stressful times one might be tempted to let the proprietors simply make their statement . . . We are a society who holds Freedom of
Speech as perhaps our greatest liberty . . . And after all, it is just a sign.
You may ask what kind of business would dare post such a sign?

A FUNERAL HOME

And just who said morticians have no sense of humor

	10-02-2003 22:56									#41
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Where am I Horsie?

Laughing at this silly troll!

It seems YOU may have forgotten, but my old unit is still making life impossible for ol one eye's boys.

Try being a rebel there, and see how long you last!

	10-02-2003 23:10									#42
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler But he's just spicing up his writing style a bit. Does that really come across as anti-american or biased, compared to the the excessively boring style of US media?

"Spicing up his writing style?" Yeah, it comes across as biased... it's blatantly biased.

-Arrian

	10-02-2003 23:20									#43
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I support afghans growing poppies for drugs.

But the country is a wasteland, they may as well have a national resource to get back on their feet. They can't do it without drugs.

	10-02-2003 23:27									#44
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I've seen Apolytoners support some pretty stupid things, but that post just beat em all. Dissident, You have brought stupid to a whole new level.

	10-02-2003 23:46									#45
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Regarding renewed poppy production in Afghanistan, it's *not* because America and her allies aren't trying to stop it.

Indeed, the U.S. Agriculture Department (hmm ... I think that's the fed bureaucracy involved with this) has been trying to get Afghan farmers to grow crops, instead of poppies. To this end, there's been expertise offered and millions upon millions of dollars appropriated to "tempt" the Afghan farmers to grow something else (i.e. we're paying them *not* to grow poppies). Unfortunately, an on-going drought and good prices for poppies are twin barriers to progress on this issue. That, I believe, is why poppy production has gone up since the fall of the Taliban.

That, plus the fact that farmers likely won't be killed or maimed now if caught growing poppies. After all, the Taliban are pretty much out of power.

Gatekeeper

	10-02-2003 23:50									#46
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand And just who said morticians have no sense of humor

He copied it from one in New York with "Terrorists" and "Jew".

	10-02-2003 23:52									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I don't think Fisk is anti- American.

Apparently then, you don't think.

	10-02-2003 23:56									#48
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Fisk is a well known bigot. If you like reading bigots then that's your business.

	11-02-2003 00:36									#49
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He's biased, sure, but he still tells some truth. Truth that must be told.

	11-02-2003 00:48									#50
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That's fine. So long as you read his rants (his pieces typically are rants) with a grain of salt, so to speak.

-Arrian

	11-02-2003 00:52									#51
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Oh I do, my educational background taught me that.

	11-02-2003 01:00									#52
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Who pays Fisk?

	11-02-2003 01:24									#53
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Is the Taliban in power? No? Thank you.

	11-02-2003 02:16									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Rebuilding the place is like rebuilding South Central LA.

You should visit South Central before making such statements.

	11-02-2003 02:17									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Is the Taliban in power? No? Thank you.

They are in th NorthWest Territories in Pakistan.

	11-02-2003 02:21									#56
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The Pakis have never been able to control their territory and probably never will be able to control it. That's why Pakistan is such a haven for terrorists and militants because areas like the north west are effectively controlled by anyone with a gun.

	11-02-2003 03:48									#57
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Being a critic of aspects of US foreign policy does not make you anti-American. You label someone like that and all you are saying is you aren't prepared to listen to alternative points of view.

Its like the Cold War mentality all over again.....

	11-02-2003 04:04									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Being a critic of aspects of US foreign policy does not make you anti-American.

He is critic of EVERY aspect of US foreign policy... and has never said ANTHING good about the US, foreign policy or anything else. That's what makes him anti-American.

	11-02-2003 04:18									#59
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Instead of all the shrieking, could you please point out where and how his article is anti-American?

I thought he was saying that the situation in Afghanistn is falling into depressingly familiar patterns. Is it anti-American to say this?

	11-02-2003 04:23									#60
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No reply - LOL!

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