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Dont know if I posted this on Apolyton, I dont think I did.
I rescently had an epiphamy, followed by some philosophical musings.....
How come idiots like Pascal get memorialized for stating something BLATANTLY obvious which EVERYONE thinks of at some point in their life for thousands of years(Pascal's wager pisses me off.....why is something so obvious named after some individual guy?).
Over the course of my life I have come up with some philosophical/religious ideas which I thought were unique, only later to learn they arent........everyone has come up with some invention they think is genius, then realize someone else already did it.......I was angry when I found out someone else already invented a grate to cover your gutters so they dont get clogged-that was my idea damnit! Kinda like that heh.
How do I get myself memorialized for what I THINK is a unique idea(if it is not, please point me to whatever person thought of this before me)
A little background on myself though: I was raised by Jewish parents in a somewhat strong Jewish community. I am well versed in most aspects of Judaism, I know Hebrew fluently and can quote the scripture with the best of them, I also know a lot about Christianity and Islam, having read the Christian Bible and the Koran respectively.
After my religious upbringing, what do I believe?
Science > all
I really doubt God is up there, but I am practitioner of Pascal's wager, which basically says "I'll be religious just in case God exists", and because I am accustomed to practicing it for all of my life.
I've always had a fear of death, I’m not sure if its been worse then others, but I realized my mortality at the age of 5 while watching transformers early Saturday morning, and much crying ensued....A fear of death has always been at the back of my mind all my life, but I had an epiphany, and I’m no longer that scared.
Lets take the Christian view of heaven, because it is one which is definentaly "nice", at least nicer then the Jewish afterlife, which little information is given on(you live nice for the sake of being nice and for the sake of the world, not for a reward at the end of life in Judaism, but that’s another topic.....). Lets also assume that EVERYONE goes to this heaven-this place where it is pleasurable and whatever you want it to be, forever.
A human mind has the concept of "time" down pretty well, we take note of it, we understand it, we make hypothetical situations about twins and rocketships on it......we measure it DAMN well.
ALL things are fleeting, and if the afterlife is one big blast of fun for eternity.......doesn’t all fun eventually wear off?
There are two routes you can go with this.
Either A. You simply never get bored of the "fun/love/emotional joy etc...." which means your "soul/mind" is being influenced by some outside force(say God), and isnt really "you", because "you" DO eventually get sick of every "pleasurable activity/experience" if exposed to it enough....you get sick of loved ones after extremely long exposure, and your favorite hobby does get boring if you do it long enough.
So EITHER your not "you", which is something I think is rather undesirable.....I like ME and my existence, I don’t want to be transformed into something else which just has fun for eternity but isn’t ME.
OR B.
You get sick of the "good experiences".
What does this leave you with?
Well in the afterlife, you don’t "die" or "end", it is by definition eternal.........so what happens after you get bored and sick of every "good Since you would have infinite time, you would EVENTUALLY, after a prolonged period of time, experience every possible thing conceivable long enough to get sick of it-granted this could take say, millions or billions, or a googol(1 followed by 100 zeroes), but it would happen EVENTUALLY.)" imaginable?
The time it took to reach the point where you have experienced every conceivable "good thing" would only be a fraction of your afterlife, as any finite number divided by infinity is rather small......so your left bored. However the boredom never ends......and you have no alternative. You are then left bored for eternity....does being bored of existence, and just SICK of it, FOREVER, with no way to end it sound appealing?
So you have 2 choices:
1. You cease to exist, as your mind has been modified in such a way so as to not get bored, and that isn’t you.........
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2. Your bored for eternity, eventually desperately wanting to end your existence, but with no way to do so.......
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Vesayen
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DAMN YOU Neitzsche!!!!!
I thought I had a UNIQUE idea....is my idea any less valuable because I came up with it indipendantly, even though it was already thought of?
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Big Crunch
The problem with afterlife arguments is it assumes the afterlife is like the real world, except without the nasty stuff (or good stuff if you're in hell). I doubt that very much. |
The most common argument against this is something like that: "Well we dont know, it might be different there!"
BUT since we have no proof to the contrary, we should assume it is the same, or similar-and even if it is not, as long as "time"(speed being irelivant, time as cause-effect chains) exists, the point is valid.
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Big Crunch
Well the most logical assumption is that there is no afterlife at all. And if there is an afterlife, I'd rather have as few assumptions (preferably none) as possible - so I start from the position that it is unlikely to be like the physical world we know. |
And thus why I think God proboably isnt there, this is just my own musing why it is proboably better that he isnt there.
If you start any discusion with no assumptions or postulates, then you have nothing to discuss, as nothing is based on anything except opinion, and in arguments of religion, the ever so annoying "faith".
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Caligastia
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Originally posted by Vesayen
ALL things are fleeting, and if the afterlife is one big blast of fun for eternity.......doesn’t all fun eventually wear off? |
This is where you go wrong. It's not just fun, fun and endless pleasure, it's a progression. You progress and learn about the various universes and their inhabitants. There are new senses to explore, you cannot possibly concieve of what awaits you.
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Caligastia
This is where you go wrong. It's not just fun, fun and endless pleasure, it's a progression. You progress and learn about the various universes and their inhabitants. There are new senses to explore, you cannot possibly concieve of what awaits you. |
However give infinite time, you will eventually experience everything, in every possible aspect, a (google^google) times.
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Curiosity
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Re: How do I get my philosophical ideas as well known as Pascals Wager?(Unique idea)
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Put an end to popups!
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Originally posted by Vesayen
Either A. You simply never get bored of the "fun/love/emotional joy etc...." which means your "soul/mind" is being influenced by some outside force(say God), and isnt really "you", because "you" DO eventually get sick of every "pleasurable activity/experience" if exposed to it enough....you get sick of loved ones after extremely long exposure, and your favorite hobby does get boring if you do it long enough.
So EITHER your not "you", which is something I think is rather undesirable.....I like ME and my existence, I don’t want to be transformed into something else which just has fun for eternity but isn’t ME.
OR B.
You get sick of the "good experiences".
What does this leave you with?
Well in the afterlife, you don’t "die" or "end", it is by definition eternal.........so what happens after you get bored and sick of every "good Since you would have infinite time, you would EVENTUALLY, after a prolonged period of time, experience every possible thing conceivable long enough to get sick of it-granted this could take say, millions or billions, or a googol(1 followed by 100 zeroes), but it would happen EVENTUALLY.)" imaginable? |
Surely this is only true if the number of distinct good experiences is not sufficiently larger than the number of possible states in the human brain?
i.e. if I watch my favourite film once every million years I will probably never get tired of it, since I will forget about it completely over that time.
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Iron Chancellor
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Well, what is time? It's measured by the rotating of the earth around the sun (or at least that's how we measure it). It seems to me that time is how we measure the distance between events that have happened and events that are happening.
So...an afterlife, unless it was on another planet in a corner of the galaxy, which I doubt an immaterial god would choose to create paradise on, has no concept of time if it is (as I suspect) immaterial, but rather spiritual. Plus the Christian idea is that God is the source of all good in the world, so one can't have too much of every good thing, right?
If C is the case, I see no point in worrying about the future, except for ensuring that we live as long as we possibly can. We really are no different from animals, and maybe there should be a "Kramerman's wager: I don't know if there is an afterlife, but in case there isn't, I'm going to live in a box hooked up to an IV fluid dispensar so that I live the longest life I possibly can."
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Iron Chancellor
Well, what is time? It's measured by the rotating of the earth around the sun (or at least that's how we measure it). It seems to me that time is how we measure the distance between events that have happened and events that are happening.
So...an afterlife, unless it was on another planet in a corner of the galaxy, which I doubt an immaterial god would choose to create paradise on, has no concept of time if it is (as I suspect) immaterial, but rather spiritual. Plus the Christian idea is that God is the source of all good in the world, so one can't have too much of every good thing, right?
If C is the case, I see no point in worrying about the future, except for ensuring that we live as long as we possibly can. We really are no different from animals, and maybe there should be a "Kramerman's wager: I don't know if there is an afterlife, but in case there isn't, I'm going to live in a box hooked up to an IV fluid dispensar so that I live the longest life I possibly can." |
Time is causality, or one event causing another.......and you can have too much of every good thing.
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Lazarus and the Gimp
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Whale-raping abomination
Aug 2000
time: 05:25
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Reprinted from an old game of "Mornington Crescent".
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I may, or may not have made a move. However I'm not going to reveal what it was, if indeed it happened at all. This, of course, means we are now in the realms of Whimbrel's Muntjac.
Professor Augustine St John Whimbrel (1887- ) was the first person to introduce Quantum theory to MC. His breakthrough was the realisation that we cannot be defined solely by our existance, but must also be defined by our relationship/proximity to other persons or items. This means I cannot be simply "Ron Jeremy", but must be "Ron Jeremy by the tree" or "Ron Jeremy attempting to put a clumsy stranglehold on Seneca" in order to be verified in existance.
Whimbrel's Muntjac theory is as follows. Should a Muntjac deer stray into the Tube in an ill-advised hunt for tasty roots to eat, it will disappear from sight. We would not be able to say with any degree of certainty where it was in the maze of stations and tunnels. All we could conclude is that it had ceased to exist as a clearly defined entity, but instead must be considered a field of potential existance that encompasses the entire London Underground system.
However, since all those people in the Underground at that time must have their own existance defined at least in part by their proximity to the elusive Munjac, this means that they have all actually ceased to exist as defined entities too, and again can be considered as fields of potential existance. Therefore the man on the platform at Paddington is therefore simultaneously boarding a train at King's Cross and buying a Kit-Kat at Maida Vale. Only the vanished Muntjac can define precisely where the commuter actually is by revealing itself and defining it's proximity to others causing their existance to be clarified as a definite entity.
Whimbrel applied the principle to his own life. Therefore, as we can no longer see him, we must assume that he is alive in an infinite field of potential existance. However he has responded to no letters since his cremation in 1963.
So what does this mean to my game? As no-one knows my present location, this means that no-one can actually verify their own either until I choose to reveal myself. I now define their positions. This means I can reveal that Provost is now on Northolt, Imran is playing as default Prebendary on Bayswater until a stepping fold-through is completed, while Seneca and Flubber are simultaneously groped on Sloane Square.
And that, my friends, is called "genius". |
It's as easy as being made to feel guilty by your mother.
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