15-02-2003 11:00									#31
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd No, as in transferring my money to someone who didn't earn it.

I didn't know that buying a government security was earning money? Can you explain that to me?

	15-02-2003 11:03									#32
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quote: Originally posted by orange because ideologically it's right in line with my views, has a high standard of living, hasn't been in a war in nearly two centuries, and takes care of its citizens effectively. It is a living breathing example of how social democracy CAN work.

So have you ever thought of moving to Sweden?

I guess the reason why many of us who perceive another nation as being more progressive, but choose to remain in their native nation, is because of culture shock or cultural/lingual obstacles.

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orange,

quote: if, when you get older, you become unemployed - will you file for and accept welfare checks?

No, but in any case, the chances of me being unemployed are fairly slim.

Duncan,

What are you talking about?

	15-02-2003 11:12									#34
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The Netherlands getting a lot of votes makes sense, from what I've heard.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd No, but in any case, the chances of me being unemployed are fairly slim.

Aren't you like a history major?

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Duncan, What are you talking about?

How much work is it to call your broker and tell him to buy T-bills?

	15-02-2003 11:22									#37
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I voted for Canada, given they seem a bit more market oriented than Europe yet still have most of the same social programs to help the ones that don't make it. But it is a close race with some of the Nordics.

Lest progressive: DRC or DPRK.

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quote: Aren't you like a history major?

Yes.

Duncan,

quote: How much work is it to call your broker and tell him to buy T-bills?

I don't have a broker. But if I did, I would be earning money by getting off my ass, and spending money to make money. If poor people wanna do it, they can too, and I won't demand a cut of their money.

	15-02-2003 11:53									#39
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Orange, did you miss my last post?

Or just reply when you have the time.

	15-02-2003 11:55									#40
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quote: No, but in any case, the chances of me being unemployed are fairly slim.

So your the one who voted "Yes" to my macho thread?

	15-02-2003 11:55									#41
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Well, God knows the last thing we want is to be labelled progressive.

	15-02-2003 12:10									#42
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Vermont

	15-02-2003 12:23									#43
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Why, because that makes the US look better?

Because that's what everybody uses and it is a more accurate tally of GDP when comparing countries.

	15-02-2003 12:29									#44
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My definition of socially progressive means they are in acting long term policies which will benefit the most citizens possible including those yet to be born. In that light long term economic growth is more desirable then welfare payments which cannot be sustained over the long haul so the U.S. comes out number one and countries like Sweden (which do a good job of providing for the current citizens but only by strangling its future citizens) doesn't perform nearly as well.

*Edit: Spell check. God I love modern computers.

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	15-02-2003 12:31									#45
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Well, Oerdin, I like your opinions, but you've really got to learn to spell.

	15-02-2003 12:34									#46
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I actually spell very well thank you but my primary problem tonight has to do with Cabernet Sauvignon. An excess amount of Cabernet Sauvignon.

	15-02-2003 12:38									#47
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Bah! If you can't post drunk, you can't post at all!

*hic*

	15-02-2003 12:45									#48
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I voted for the Dutch. I was disappointed to not see France on the list.
Mr. Fun, you probably should have left the USA off of the list, since all of our local uber-patriots voting for it will skew the results. It is like putting Clinton on a "Who is the worst leader?" poll. All the righties are for some reason magnetically drawn to it.

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You could make a poll of the President most compassionate to the working class in America and Reagan would win.

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Yeah that too, I do have to hand it to righties though, they love what they love.

	15-02-2003 12:56									#51
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	15-02-2003 13:10									#52
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I voted for the Dutch. I was disappointed to not see France on the list. Mr. Fun, you probably should have left the USA off of the list, since all of our local uber-patriots voting for it will skew the results. It is like putting Clinton on a "Who is the worst leader?" poll. All the righties are for some reason magnetically drawn to it.

I am still not sure which country is the most socially progressive yet based on the posts so far.

I want to give other Americans a good chance to field their opinions that are based on something other than patriotic chauvinism.

I don't know if the United States is the most socially progressive nation, but I'm sure others can present legitimate arguments as to why they believe the United States is the most socially progressive.

The United States definitely deserves to be on the list, even if we can't prevent patriotic blind votes.

	15-02-2003 14:37									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun ok, Urban Ranger

You also want to look at the spread, the max and min incomes. The narrower, the better.

	15-02-2003 15:52									#54
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According to the latest HDR, Belorussia is the most egalitarian state.

	15-02-2003 16:33									#55
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Sweden.
BTW all the other choices besides Holland have no merit to be in the list.

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The Netherlands is probably the country that socially stands most firmly in the 21st century

	15-02-2003 16:42									#57
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paiktis: who does belong on the list?

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Holland has a loooong history of respect for indivindual rights. Didn't come overnight...
Still I don't like the end result.
Went to Amsterdam, was hussled by drug pushers in mid day on central streets and saw the most brutal bar brawl.
All that in one day. And the streets of Amsterdam didn't seem too safe to me.
If that's the result I want none of it
But if that's what Hollanders want, fine

	15-02-2003 16:47									#59
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It's NOT Finland. Only progressive thing here going on is the gas price, soon to be $8 per gallon. How do you like them apples? Don't come here, don't be commie!

	15-02-2003 16:48									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel According to the latest HDR, Belorussia is the most egalitarian state.

That's because everyone in Belorussia make ****; when everyone makes next to nothing there is no difference between them. A much better measurement is per capita income once you have excluded the distorting effects of the top 5% and the bottom 5%. The two extremes bias the results so by factoring them out you get a good idea of how 90% of the people live.

I'd bet the U.S. is very near the top once you look at things in that light.