19-02-2003 08:37									#31
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As of now we have the following candidates...

Minister of Defense
Theseus
ThePlagueRat
Trip
bigfree1

Minister of the Interior
BigFurryMonster
E_T

Minister of Foreign Affairs
Thud
Togas

Minister of Information
None

Head of the Intelligence Office
oliverfa

/Edited to add bigfree1 to Minister of Defense.

Last edited by notyoueither on 19-02-2003 at 12:42

	19-02-2003 08:38									#32
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quote: Originally posted by bigfree1 I shall throw my hat into the mix and say that I'd like the opportunity to serve as the Minister of Defense or the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Thankyou for your consideration in this matter.

Could you decide on your cadidacy for one or the other? That might help.

	19-02-2003 08:49									#33
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A couple of other questions.

No one has applied for Minister of Information. vondrack is very interested in that area. Does anyone have a problem with a Consul holding a post for which no one has applied?

Also, the concept of Co-Ministers has come up again (not in this thread, but in chats). What do people feel about 2 people being appointed to a single post as Co-Ministers? Or rather, would it be better for one to be the Minister and the other to be the Vice-Minister? Nothing says that a Minister cannot appoint a Vice-Minister to look after a specific area or to hold the office in his/her absense. Does anything say that we cannot have Co-Ministers?

A lot is unwritten in the Constitution. That is not necessarily bad. It allows us to be flexible. However, what we decide now would be the precedent for the future. So, what do we want?

	19-02-2003 08:53									#34
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It's up to the consuls to decide what do about co-ministers, I believe.

I have no problem with Vondrack holding that position. I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Aro with it though.

	19-02-2003 09:25									#35
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Also, the concept of Co-Ministers has come up again (not in this thread, but in chats). What do people feel about 2 people being appointed to a single post as Co-Ministers? Or rather, would it be better for one to be the Minister and the other to be the Vice-Minister? Nothing says that a Minister cannot appoint a Vice-Minister to look after a specific area or to hold the office in his/her absense. Does anything say that we cannot have Co-Ministers?

This is a fine idea, but it would probably be best with a Minister/Vice-Minister system. We need to have one individual who ultimately makes the decision or who is ultimately responsible for getting something done.

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither A lot is unwritten in the Constitution. That is not necessarily bad. It allows us to be flexible. However, what we decide now would be the precedent for the future. So, what do we want?

Flexibilty is very good. Frankly, at this early stage in the game, I don't see why we'd need a lot of ministers. Later on, however, we may want to add more as the work starts to add up.

--Togas

	19-02-2003 09:29									#36
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I would like to work in the staff of the Minister of Information, doing maps. And I can't see any problem with Vondrack holding the post.

	19-02-2003 10:13									#37
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I would see no conflict with Vondrack holding the post. Also, I as well would be interested in assisting, doing some write-ups and whatnot. As publisher of The Daily Blueprint, I have some small amount of experience

	19-02-2003 12:10									#38
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Could you decide on your cadidacy for one or the other? That might help.

Sure. I'd like to serve the mighty Apolyton Nation as its Minister of Defense.

I couldn't decide at first which job I could better serve the Apolytonian people in.

	19-02-2003 19:59									#39
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I'll throw my support behind Oliverfa to be head of intelligence. He's definitely got the experience though all the proof is classified

	19-02-2003 20:14									#40
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I would like to officially announce myself running for Minister of Defense, and Theseus as my Vice-Minister.

	19-02-2003 20:30									#41
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser I'll throw my support behind Oliverfa to be head of intelligence. He's definitely got the experience

Thanks!

quote: though all the proof is classified

Well... maybe it could be declassified for a little price... Anyone interested?

	19-02-2003 20:36									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Togas This is a fine idea, but it would probably be best with a Minister/Vice-Minister system. We need to have one individual who ultimately makes the decision or who is ultimately responsible for getting something done.

I also agree here. A good Minister/Vice-Minister tandem will have a lot of discussion and almost all the decisions (if not all) will be taken by consensum (mmmm is it written like this?) like it would be in a co-minister system, but with the advantages of the hierarchy.

quote: Flexibilty is very good. Frankly, at this early stage in the game, I don't see why we'd need a lot of ministers. Later on, however, we may want to add more as the work starts to add up.

Of course, things will no doubt change and improve as the game goes on.

	19-02-2003 23:34									#43
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Minister of Information None Head of the Intelligence Office oliverfa

Can't we just join these posts? (if Oliverfa agrees, but I recall seeing his application of the Minister post somewhere)

	20-02-2003 00:04									#44
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As far as I remember I didn't applied for the Minister of Information position, but I would be glad to serve Apolyton in both at the same time. Specially since there will not be much to do at the Intelligence Office during the first turns. Later we can divide the positions again if needed when the size of the empire grows.

	20-02-2003 02:34									#45
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As I understand it, the Minister of Information is in charge of disseminating game-related information to the team at large; turn events, diplomatic happenings, etc. The Intelligence Beureau is simply in charge of data crunching; giving us cold, hard facts about the state of things. I think the point of keeping them separate is that the I.B. is supposed to be a non-political entity; free from any bias.

	20-02-2003 03:05									#46
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX As I understand it, the Minister of Information is in charge of disseminating game-related information to the team at large; turn events, diplomatic happenings, etc. The Intelligence Beureau is simply in charge of data crunching; giving us cold, hard facts about the state of things. I think the point of keeping them separate is that the I.B. is supposed to be a non-political entity; free from any bias.

I thought they were almost the reverse. "Information" should be cold hard facts gleaned from in-game information, like demographics, scores, etc. "Intelligence" depends on interpretation - meaning diplomacy analysis and the like.

	20-02-2003 03:17									#47
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I think Dejon is right. This is how I understand it, too.

As for nobody being nominated for the Minister of Information, I thought Vondrack is going to take care of that. I mean, I thought he is willing to do this job. He is doing it already, actually.

	20-02-2003 03:22									#48
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Wathever is decided will be ok for me

	20-02-2003 03:46									#49
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quote: I thought they were almost the reverse

Yes, I just flipped the words around. The point remains the same, though.

	20-02-2003 05:24									#50
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quote: Originally posted by oliverfa Wathever is decided will be ok for me

You can decide... as long as it relates to the game.
What is better than doing just as you please?

	20-02-2003 08:22									#51
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I would like to apply to the post of Minister of the Interior. I originally declined to getting involved in the economics of Gathering Storm, and am beginning to see that's all I can really offer!

Are the ministers selected already? How many positions per portfolio?


Dominae

	20-02-2003 08:41									#52
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Is there any minesterial position where I can act without my incompetence and inavailability getting in the way?

In that case I'd like to be Minister of n00bs. (Recruitment. )



I doubt we'll have that many joins though....but if you want to you can give me the title

	20-02-2003 12:04									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I would like to officially announce myself running for Minister of Defense, and Theseus as my Vice-Minister.

Did Theseus agree to this arrangement?

	20-02-2003 12:11									#54
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Come come now, Arney, even you know I'm not that arrogant.

	20-02-2003 19:47									#55
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Confirmed.

Due to RL time constraints, I prefer this arrangement.

Two comments:

I will ensure that there is a lot of vice.

I prefer the precursor name for the U.S. Department of Defense... the Department of WAR.

	20-02-2003 22:00									#56
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To start with: The Numidian Department, perhaps?
Department of WAR is a more proper name, though...

Anyway, we are many people applying so there will be many vices I guess.
How about a new thread where discuss who is gonna be what in this dept?
Then the Consuls can go in and appoint us all to what they like.

	20-02-2003 22:07									#57
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quote: The Numidian Department, perhaps?

Ministry of Mercenary Hiring?

	21-02-2003 01:39									#58
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Btw: Anyone familiar with John Cleese in Dept. of Silly Walks ?

	21-02-2003 02:02									#59
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ThePlagueRat: let's see your silly walk, then!

(TPR does his silly walk)

...

It's not really silly, is it?

	21-02-2003 02:50									#60
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An image of me as a minister: ( if I am appointed )



I think I look great as a minister!

Then, more likely... the consulate might not.