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hardjoy
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Odense, Denmark
May 2001
time: 06:26
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Working on an update these days 
Mostly in the historical detail department, city placements and some map changes. Spain now only controls one city in the netherlands from the outset, but has a much larger army there, making it more interesting for Spain to either crush the dutch rebellion or find a way of ferrying these troops to England. Or both.
I am in seven minds about how best to simulate the french civil war (war of the three henrys). I want this a little more accurate as can be from the outset, than in the first version.
I have a sketchy map of holy league and huguenot areas of control, and details on a number of cities, but still lack a general overview of how the civil war went on, in detail of sieges, organization and cities taken etc.
Any ideas, anyone? any good links or references?
I am also giving the events an overhaul, which means less random events and off-game history events, and more in-game events, rewarding/punishing civs for important victories/accomplishments.
Additionally, I use the events to simulate storms at sea, which makes it possible but also more dangerous to perform long voyages at sea, without seeking harbor.
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hardjoy
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Odense, Denmark
May 2001
time: 06:26
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Henrik, I've just sent you a reply... Posting your comments and my replies here as well (hope you don't mind), since I prefer to discuss the scenario here than the clumsy pm system
Henrik wrote on 20-05-2003 20:49:
Here is a short list I made while playing earlier:
I recomend placing a Courthouse in Flushing to prevent the Spanish from bribing it so easily early on...
---good idea, I have now removed the english from the continent again, since the treaty of Nonsuch (the one ceding Flushing and 3 other dutch cities to english) was signed only in 1585 ---now the conquest of Flushing forms a "protection pact" with England... in one way or another it will give England a bonus to take the city (or other dutch harbors) -not sure if its gonna be wonder based or something else
Ther storms seems to be to comon imho.
--noted... the reason why they're so common is to make it vital to seek ports for ships in between turns... -they happen in different parts of the map, and not in the med or smaller waters, such as the english channel. But they might be too frequent anyway. Of course the AI won't notice any of this
You should add a sound for cannons that are being "shot down" after having been left at sea.
--yes... still missing
Why is England and Holland affected by church opinion when signing deals with Spain? They're protestants!
--The spanish have the Catholic Unity wonder [oops I was wrong -its the Papal Reliquary (UN)], and even if the English and Dutch are protestants, they still had many catholic nobles of influence (especially the strongly divided dutch), and Spain was a power of extreme influence in Europe at the time (btw, the english even had an ambassador in Paris selling information to the spanish because he was out of money)... but you're right, I have to find a way to show this -or certain actions that will put this wonder out of action
Watch those storms! I had Lincoln flooded by one of them!
--woah! ;D gonna check the coordinates again, since I made some map changes after doing the storms
Lower the defence of hills or alternatively remove those that are beneath cities, some cities become virtually impossible to take becouse of hilly terrain.
--which ones in particular?
Last edited by hardjoy on 21-05-2003 at 03:52
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Henrik
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The European Union, Sweden, Lund
Dec 2000
time: 06:26
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I used several (well for england anyway, I used 3, which is about as many as they can build in one scenario) veteran seige cannons to attack the Musketeers based in Edinburgh.
All cannons where lost. Not a single hit was dealt to the defenders.
Musketeers: 4a,8d, 1h,6f
Seige Cannon: 24a,2d, 2h,8f
Hills= dx2, city walls=dx3
Musketeers on hills:
Defence 40 (or 64 even, depending on whether the city wall bonus is multiplied by the original defence value or the defence value as it is after having been augmented by the terrain).
Thankfully the fortify bonus isn't added for units behind city walls, otherwise the defence bonus would be even bigger.
Imho the stats are ok, just make sure that there are no hills beneath cities...
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hardjoy
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Odense, Denmark
May 2001
time: 06:26
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Hmmm...
I need the hills to differentiate cities defences. Some cities should be naturally harder to take than others, especially Edinburgh, since the Scots are paralyzed if they lose their capital. So it should be tough. Have you thought about using a galleon for subduing the scots? -Another thing to consider : the faster one goes for the scots the easier it will be, since they cannot produce musketeers from the outset (they have 2 preplaced). They depend strongly on spanish tech trades.
In the latest version I've made the siege cannon dramatically better (att 36 with ign. walls) and slightly cheaper, and I also improved the defences of the defensive ground units (to prevent too easy bombardments). Musketeers now defend with 14, and 28 on hills, which is okay for the siege guns to take out, most of the time. I'll send you the latest version when its ready for final rounds of adjustments
In the latest version, I've found that limiting the prebuilt naval units for Spain makes spanish AI produce a much larger fleet of all kinds of ships, which is quite pleasant to see. They also build a huge army of arquebusiers. I've also added all kinds of neat surprises, if I can get them to work.
Ran into a lot of trouble with the no,no techs and events. Civ2 crashed on me time and time again and I had to patiently track down which error caused the crash. Seems it was the derived no,no tech (catholic plots) that the english was researching, but I am not sure. I am having second thoughts about the storms too. I really like the idea, but its messy to have english naval guns or ground units lying around in the sea after such a storm. And it seems the maprect coordinates are handled quite loosely by the events and sometimes cuts off land even if its not supposed to.
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hardjoy
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Odense, Denmark
May 2001
time: 06:26
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At first I thought that too, but I have made sure I updated all locations to land tiles, so that can't be it. Changing the role from diplomat/barb leader to something else doesn't seem to work either.
Here's the stats (using the diplo slot) :
Wreck, nil, 0, 0.,0, 0a,2d, 1h,1f, 8,0, 6, no, 000000000000000
Still working on that crash/stack error problem, btw... now civ2 suddenly crashed negotiating with the dutch. Going thru a trial and error process to find the root of the problem. It looks like a tech problem of some sorts.
Last edited by hardjoy on 27-05-2003 at 01:16
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