17-02-2003 16:33									#1
	God's Obvious Design Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&threadid=44688

The Armada approaching english waters...

Attachment: approach.gif
This has been downloaded 325 time(s).

	17-02-2003 16:34									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

And the dutch situation...

Attachment: netherlands.gif
This has been downloaded 319 time(s).

	17-02-2003 16:59									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

As you might have guessed, this scenario is about the spanish armada of 1588... Philip II's grand design to overthrow protestant England and place a catholic on the throne of England.

If you'd like to participate in the playtest, please respond here or to the above thread, where you can download the playtest version.

	17-02-2003 17:36									#4
	Support Apolyton

yeah, i´ll play with you ...

	17-02-2003 17:47									#5
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Jim, you can download the scen from the above civfan thread -Looking forward to your comments !

	17-02-2003 17:53									#6
	Put an end to popups!

one remark... it's Haarlem, not Harleem... I happen to live there, so.

	17-02-2003 18:00									#7
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Yes I heard -gonna change that in the final version

	17-02-2003 20:34									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

It looks very good. I'm not sure I'll be able to give a detailed report, but I'll pass along any comments I have.

	17-02-2003 20:59									#9
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Thats okay In the process of adjusting minor details and adding a few more events, so I'll appreciate any feedback you might have, brief or longish.

The thing I'm probably most interested in is if the scenario is too easy, or too hard. The english are protected by The Tower (great wall) for some time, but when that wonder is cancelled by Naval Tactics, they should really feel the pressure coming on... Not sure if the scen is too easy playing as the brits, they really 'just' need to defend themselves in order to get a decisive win.

It is possible for the dutch to get a marginal win by kicking out the spaniards and protecting themselves from the Armada.

The spanish player is no doubt the most powerful and wealthy, but are hampered by civil disorders caused by troops away from cities. They are also the about one civ who will be able to research more than a couple of techs during the scen, while most others are dependant on trading techs, or stealing them. I'd really like to hear a report playing as the spanish -also the civ who will probably make the longest game, since they have the largest military and the most difficult objectives...

	17-02-2003 22:19									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Hardjoy, did you shrink BeBro's city graphics or am I going crazy in my old age?

	17-02-2003 22:45									#11
	Suffering from ads?

I borrowed some of Bebro's cathedrals and buildings for the renaissance city style, yes...

	18-02-2003 00:21									#12
	Got spare money?

ok, just downloaded and installed it. comments coming

	18-02-2003 00:30									#13
	Get a bigger avatar today!

* St Leo downloaded the scenario

Oh, you took those screen at the non-normal zoom. They look much better after the SHIFT + Z keystroke.

Did you draw the feudal and Alt Modern styles yourself?

	18-02-2003 01:02									#14
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by St Leo Did you draw the feudal and Alt Modern styles yourself?

Yes... basically all the graphics are made from a combination of work from scratch or 'borrowing' of pieces from here and there, and shining them up to fit what I wanted. The feudal ones are all mine

	18-02-2003 01:51									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

hardjoy, if you want all Belgian city names how they are called in here (so not in English ):

Bruges -> Brugge
Antwerp -> Antwerpen
Ghent -> Gent
Brussels -> Brussel/Bruxelles (at that time, it was still called Brussel)

	18-02-2003 04:43									#16
	Remove this text

one more:
Flushing - Vlissingen

	18-02-2003 14:54									#17
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

nice piece of work, good first impression.

though i have to confess that i haven´t played it till now. just had a first glimpse on it

	18-02-2003 18:22									#18
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

does this scenario have something to do with kIndal´s one??
he started one about it but he never finish it

	18-02-2003 22:33									#19
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

No. I did see his first playtest version a long time ago, but that was very different from what I have made here. I haven't heard from him in ages, so I don't know if he is still working on it.

	19-02-2003 03:01									#20
	Support Apolyton

just asking, do you still have his playtest version??
i don't think he'll mind if you send it to me

	19-02-2003 19:07									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

This looks really terrific !
However i'm unable to reach CivFanatics Forum !
Couldn't anyone post a direct link or upload it to Poly ?
(or CivFan download area)
Please Please Please
Thank You & ciao !

	19-02-2003 20:14									#22
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Just uploaded the playtest to apolytons server

Shaka, send me an email and I'll see what I can do.

[edit : removed obsolete playtest links... the update is coming up...]

Last edited by hardjoy on 15-05-2003 at 18:17

	20-02-2003 04:03									#23
	Remove this text

hardjoy, the scen looks pretty good

I have only a problem with this: some Spanish cities are mispelled or misplaced. I suggest you to post the Spanish map in the Spanish forum (I've located some failures, but geography is not one of my strongest points). The most important failure, I think, is Navarre and Pamplona: Navarre is not a city, but a region, whose capital is Pamplona, and it was Spanish since 1504

Good work

	20-02-2003 22:04									#24
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by yaroslav ...whose capital is Pamplona, and it was Spanish since 1504

Noted... -thanx for the compliments
The reason I put Navarre on the map, was because I wondered myself excessively where it was, since the king of Navarre, Henry, was the leader of the huguenots figthing in France... Maybe he was just king of name? -gonna check up on that.

That said, there's a lot of contrafactual historical fantasy in this. And since I have used a quite small map, there's bound to be compromises in city locations etc. The setup is quite a construction, which hopefully conveys the key issues and some key incidents of the conflict, while still a lot of fun, not historical accuracy in the bonified manner. In this scenario, Philip II can even choose to go the protestant way, if he sees fit... -one can play out the alternative history, and perhaps accomplish what Philip II didn't, conquer England...

	21-02-2003 03:08									#25
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by hardjoy Noted... -thanx for the compliments The reason I put Navarre on the map, was because I wondered myself excessively where it was, since the king of Navarre, Henry, was the leader of the huguenots figthing in France... Maybe he was just king of name? -gonna check up on that.

If I recall it correctly, the French King claims that the Kingdom of Navarre was French, even when France lost the 1504 war...

	21-02-2003 08:22									#26
	If the Armada had landed... Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Just had a nights game playing as the spanish...



After prolonged battles in the channel and the landing of spanish veterans from the Netherlands in Weymouth and Norwich in the summer of 1586, London finally fell to spanish forces December 1588. The scots actually managed to survive this game... heavily supported by spanish technologies.

Last edited by hardjoy on 21-02-2003 at 08:33

	21-02-2003 15:30									#27
	Got spare money?

You are using the flag of Castile for Spain which looks, pardon me, very very wierd

	21-02-2003 18:05									#28
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Why? -please elaborate

	21-02-2003 18:19									#29
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Imagine you were designing a scenario where the British Empire is one of the participants. Which flag would you chose for them, the English flag (St George's cross) or the Union Jack?

	21-02-2003 22:32									#30
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Imagine you were designing a scenario where the British Empire is one of the participants. Which flag would you chose for them, the English flag (St George's cross) or the Union Jack?

I've seen both used.
Castille and Leon
Burgundy Cross
Royal Banner 1580-1700

Last edited by St Leo on 21-02-2003 at 22:45