18-02-2003 23:55									#1
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Im going to make a scenario of the Russo-Finnish Winter War. It is going to be from 30 November 1939 to 12 March 1940. There are going to be 4 Countries in it.

Finland
Soviet Union
Sweden
Norway

Should i make week turns or day turns?? what do you think?

Here is a screenshot over the map.. i havent placed the Norweigen cities.

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	18-02-2003 23:56									#2
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Here is a screenshot of SouthEastern Finland :

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	19-02-2003 02:48									#3
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units!

	19-02-2003 03:32									#4
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Indeed! Units!

	19-02-2003 03:35									#5
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The war lasted from November 30 1939 to March 12 1940. I would suggest 3 days per turn.

That would ammount to 34 turns.


Shows us some Finnish units!

	19-02-2003 03:39									#6
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quote: Originally posted by MagyarCrusader units!

Hmm perhaps the sovjets will try to persuade the Finns to give up their land with promising them chocolate
Ok seriously this was an interesting war where clearly overwhelmed Finns did their best and hold their ground and they inflicted heavy damage on the russians and we have the genius Gustaf Mannerheim to thank for.
But I'm not sure what's Norway's and Sweden’s part in it. To my knowledge they where neutral. Hmm will they be able to join the war in this scen? Perhaps a defensive alliance of the good Scandinavian countries against the big and evil russian invader

Go Finland Go

Oh I hope you will finish the scen sounds promising

	19-02-2003 03:59									#7
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BTW which civ will be playable?

The Russians would be the most interesting as they are the attackers, but would have overwhelming superiority.

The Finns on the other hand will only press end turn far too often, as they only actions will be to simply hold out!

	19-02-2003 04:01									#8
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not a german event to disturb to soviets?

	19-02-2003 04:04									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur not a german event to disturb to soviets?

This war was before operation Barbarossa.

Soviet Union and Germany were still allies then.

	19-02-2003 07:24									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Jacques Rougeau But I'm not sure what's Norway's and Sweden’s part in it. To my knowledge they where neutral. Hmm will they be able to join the war in this scen?

Sweden provided weapons to the Finns, and I believe there were anti-Soviet volunteers from both nations.

I hope you have the sisu to finish this scenario!

	19-02-2003 07:40									#11
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Didn't Germany send 'volunteers'?

	19-02-2003 18:45									#12
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as far as i know sweden paid a part of the bills and sent 8000 voluteers to finnland. norwy also sent - as denmark - about 500 voluteers as a sign of "scandinavian solidarity" (as we have seen, this solidarity was not more than a hole phrase at this time.

many germans wanted to fight with the finns against the communists but the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was too important to Hitler in that moment ("... everything i do I do against Russia. If the West is to dumb to understand this I´ll have to ally myself with Russia to crush the West before attacking Russia." I know that Hitler said this. You may excuse this translation, I only know this in German)

btw, what about the military "aid" from the Western Allies (UK, France)? They sent (I´m not kidding now!) some biplanes, vintage Machine Guns and some guns. If you need more details about this "aid" just tell me, I can give you exact numbers if you need them

	19-02-2003 19:38									#13
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Yeah the British and French had prepared troops to send and they were just about to send them when an armistice was signed between the Russians and Finns. Later these troops were instead sent to Norway. I don't know how intent the Allies were on sending these troops though.

	19-02-2003 19:40									#14
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I'm looking forward to it, Figu!!

Am I wrong thinking it won't be on a too big map, which means it could make for quick games?? This is something I would like, as most of the new scens are "monsters"...

	19-02-2003 21:52									#15
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Yes yes units are coming soon!! I will maybe later today show some.

quote: as far as i know sweden paid a part of the bills and sent 8000 voluteers to finnland. norwy also sent - as denmark - about 500 voluteers as a sign of "scandinavian solidarity" (as we have seen, this solidarity was not more than a hole phrase at this time.

Yes
and The Hungarians also sended some Full armed voluteers to Finland. And The Italians sended some. Im maybe going to make some events when the finns will get some extra units in the Major Cities.

quote: The war lasted from November 30 1939 to March 12 1940. I would suggest 3 days per turn. That would ammount to 34 turns

Ok.

quote: BTW which civ will be playable?

The Finns are going to be playable. After the sp version is done am I going to make a PBEM version of this.



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	19-02-2003 21:53									#16
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quote: Originally posted by The ANZAC Yeah the British and French had prepared troops to send and they were just about to send them when an armistice was signed between the Russians and Finns. Later these troops were instead sent to Norway. I don't know how intent the Allies were on sending these troops though.

As I recall, those allied troops also had as part of their mission to invade neutral Sweden from Finland and seize controll of the iron ore fields in northern Sweden.
The idea was that this would deny the Swedish iron to the Germans.
However as the armistice was signed before the troops arrived that plan was abandoned...

	19-02-2003 22:31									#17
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Units needed!!
I need a Blenheim for my Scenario. It was used by the Finnish AirForce during the war.

	20-02-2003 00:10									#18
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Here is some Finnish and Russian units that im going to use in the Scenario...

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	20-02-2003 01:19									#19
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So when is it going to be finnished?

	20-02-2003 01:56									#20
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Ah! A pune! Or amusing play on words!

	20-02-2003 03:08									#21
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quote: Originally posted by FiGu Units needed!! I need a Blenheim for my Scenario. It was used by the Finnish AirForce during the war.

Here you are.

-FMK.

	20-02-2003 03:32									#22
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Ah! A pune! Or amusing play on words!

El, it seems we might be reading the same books...

	20-02-2003 04:04									#23
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Ah, Cyrion, you are reading in Heraldry too?

	20-02-2003 07:39									#24
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Shut up, or I'll have you both hauled off to Pseudopolis Yard. Our fine Patrician has a scorpion pit for your exact kind of lowlifes.

	20-02-2003 23:16									#25
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quote: So when is it going to be finnished?

maybe in 2-3 weeks.

quote: Here you are. -FMK.

Nice, im going use it in the Scenario.

	21-02-2003 00:02									#26
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I would need a Swedish Infantry Unit and a Norwegien Infantry Unit. If you find any reply here.

	21-02-2003 12:01									#27
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quote: Originally posted by FiGu I would need a Swedish Infantry Unit and a Norwegien Infantry Unit. If you find any reply here.

The ski/infantery-unit below engineer is a norwegian unit.

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	22-02-2003 21:50									#28
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finally a sceanrio in which I can brutally conquer evil, evil finland

	22-02-2003 23:06									#29
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Noo! and by the way, it wont be easy... i can promise you that

	23-02-2003 05:04									#30
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Shut up, or I'll have you both hauled off to Pseudopolis Yard. Our fine Patrician has a scorpion pit for your exact kind of lowlifes.

And you are what? The watch? You can't be serious, you don't even have a plume in your helmet!