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MarkG is offline MarkG
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Athens confirmed yesterday that a Greek mathematics professor had been interrogated by government officials in the USA last week regarding the November 17 terrorist group, but denied that he had been arrested.

“The professor, Mr Angelopoulos, had gone to America for a book presentation, I think,” government spokesman Christos Protopappas said. “He was detained, in the form of a discussion, for four hours at the airport by the US authorities on the matter of November 17, and was then released.”

Eugenios Angelopoulos teaches at the National Technical University of Athens, in the Mathematics Department. Reports yesterday said he had known alleged N17 mastermind Alexandros Yotopoulos in Paris, which was why the US authorities had wanted to talk to him.

Synaspismos Left Coalition party described the incident as “an arrogant, hegemonistic display toward [America’s] vassals in the international alliance against terrorism.”


http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_...7/02/2003_26534

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An Athens academic detained by US officials last week for a grilling on the November 17 terrorist group was held in handcuffs and fetters for hours at a New York airport without being told why, or being charged, university authorities said.

In his report to Greece’s consul in New York, made public yesterday by the National Technical University of Athens (NTUA) staff union, NTUA mathematics professor Eugenios Angelopoulos was held for five-and-a-half hours at JFK Airport last Wednesday after arriving for a philosophy conference.

“I was twice fingerprinted, photographed and handcuffed,” the report quoted him saying. “I was kept waiting for two hours with fetters and chains on my legs.” Officials allegedly said he had no legal rights under US law, as officially he was not on US territory. Eventually he was told the FBI wanted to see him. When he spoke to FBI officials, the professor says he was given to understand that he would be paid to name N17 members. “I told them I had nothing for sale,” he said. Angelopoulos knew N17’s alleged mastermind in Paris during the 1960s.


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learn something new everyday: JFK is not US territory....

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What a perfect commercial slogan; "Go to JFK for the Josef K experience"

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...Christos Protopappas...


PROTOPAPPAS??

A preliminary version of a father?

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no, Pappas=Priest
so that would "High Priest" or something

back to the topic please??

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Damn, they've already got most of the European Poly-ers angry. Now they've finished that up by getting on the Greeks.
The FBI's done pretty good angering Americans...when can we plan the united world revolt?
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BTW, didn't you know? JFK is in Sweden. :duh:

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JFK= Jönköping Fotboll Klubb?

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can we stop with the threadjacking?

btw, i thought the FBI can only act inside US territory. if JFK isnt US territory, then the whole thing was illegal???

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Soon the FBI is going to start the whole "six degrees of separation" thing. You know this guy who knows this guy who knows this guy who is possibly connected to Saddam Hussein... YOU'RE GOING TO GUANTANAMO!

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older Apolytoners who lived in Paris during the 60's should be carefull. did you knew any Greeks back then?

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Sorry Mark, I'm just a bit tired. And an

FBI = funny business incoming... Should I be afraid, since my great grandfather was a hardcore communist?

Apparently the FBI has the right to do whatever they want to in the name of anti-terrorism.

Using the same analogies, I should be put in jail for "being a possible rapist" because I'm physically able to rape a woman.

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What part of JFK isn't considered U.S. soil?

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Reread. He's saying that they claimed it wasn't in order to have him think that he had no protection/rights...

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If they did that, it sounds like it could be unconstitutional. Don't know, though...

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Reread. He's saying that they claimed it wasn't in order to have him think that he had no protection/rights...


I know that's what they claimed, I was just wondering if it is true or not...perhaps some part of the international airport is deemed international territory? Though that would seem to negate the FBI's jurisdiction...

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Well, it seems like he wasn't officially on US soil. Maybe he was wearing some hover-shoes of some sorts...

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Well I know sometimes airports aren't considered national soil for all purposes (i.e. you don't need a visa to change planes.) Maybe there is a loophole there that they are exploiting.

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I know that's what they claimed, I was just wondering if it is true or not...perhaps some part of the international airport is deemed international territory? Though that would seem to negate the FBI's jurisdiction...


I'm pretty sure that all parts of US airports are considered to be on US soil as far as jurisdiction for police and applicability of constitutional law is concerned. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK sovereignty of some country has to apply (for instance, in Gitmo Cuban sovereignty applies)...

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Well I know sometimes airports aren't considered national soil for all purposes (i.e. you don't need a visa to change planes.) Maybe there is a loophole there that they are exploiting.


I think those are exceptions especially written in for sections of the airport, but AFAIK it's still US sovereign territory.

The example I was thinking about for airports having special legal standing also had to do with immigration requirements etc.

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Yeah, the White Terror is coming back. All you US commies better run for Canada when there is still time.

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No doubt.

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He's FOPG. He deserved it.

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I feel sorry for your "rights" in the "land of the free" if that's what the patriot act can do to you

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What part of JFK isn't considered U.S. soil?


The bit after you go through passport control.

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I feel sorry for your "rights" in the "land of the free" if that's what the patriot act can do to you

It was part of the Anti-FOPG clause. That's the only part of the law anyone supports.

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What a sad state of affairs the US has become...

A man is handcuffed without having committed a crime, without having a warrant for him and without being charged with anything.

And what you can come up with is "humour".

Anyway, your country, your problem.
Better change your national anthem though.

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what should be noted is that this man was given a visa in order to travel. he was arrested the moment he got off the plane from Athens. surely you dont think someone with connections to terrorism got a visa to the US by accident....

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paiktis, step it up, we expect better from you.

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LOL @ Markos, well it's been known to happen

MacTbone, but I wasn't expecting anything better from you

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We do!? I sure don't expect better from him.

 
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