21-02-2003 20:12									#31
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quote: Originally posted by HolyWarrior Public Service Announcement: All liberals who ridiculed Dan Quayle for serving in the Indiana National Guard during Vietnam, your apologies are being accepted now.

I'm not one of those, but aren't there like thousands of other reasons to ridicule him about?

	21-02-2003 20:26									#32
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Good luck, Sprayber.

I'm rooting for you.

	21-02-2003 20:35									#33
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quote: Originally posted by HolyWarrior Public Service Announcement: All liberals who ridiculed Dan Quayle for serving in the Indiana National Guard during Vietnam, your apologies are being accepted now.

I'll 2nd that. And the same for Coast Guard.

May luck be your hand maiden, Sprayber.

	21-02-2003 20:37									#34
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holywarrior, i dont think people serve in the gaurd to escape service now.

	21-02-2003 20:42									#35
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You misunderstand his statement, MRT.

	21-02-2003 20:51									#36
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explain it to me...

	21-02-2003 20:56									#37
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Maybe I misunderstood. I read it as people criticized Quayle as a draft dodger for joining National Guard.
What I'm saying is, that insured nothing.

I meant no offense.

	21-02-2003 21:14									#38
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oh, i agree with ya. hell, people who serve in any form for this country and do their job well and without corruption are heros, no matter if its coast or national, air force, navy, army or marines.

its funny though that he wants an apology from liberals for calling quayle a draft dodger when that was most likely in direct repsonse to every draft dodging attack by conservative on anyone with a liberal bone in their body. lets face it, conservative and liberal alike probably dodged the draft out of fear for their life, and not out of their political views.

	21-02-2003 21:21									#39
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Well, Air Force is better than the others, but in theory I totally agree.

	22-02-2003 02:40									#40
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Sprayber, please take care of yourself and your buddies. Bring back some stories, ~WEG~ those that you can tell us at least. I would hate to loose you, especially since I have enjoyed reading your posts since you have come to apolyton. ~Grins~ Hopefully, you will not go nuts from boredom!

Best wishes, God speed, & good luck!

Kevin

	22-02-2003 03:18									#41
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Be safe and godspeed.

Can you tell us your unit so we can follow along with news or is that classified?

Which reminds me of a movie quote:

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Ted Striker: My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.
Elaine Dickinson: When will you be back?
Ted Striker: I can't tell you that. It's classified.

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	22-02-2003 03:21									#42
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Good Luck, God Bless and THANK YOU!!!!!!

	22-02-2003 03:24									#43
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Oh yeah, almost forgot, if you get a chance to see some real combat, don't try to be a hero.. just duck and play it safe and cool. I'd like to hear some combat stories later if you get some, but they're no use to us if you dont return!

	22-02-2003 03:39									#44
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Actually the Vietnam era was before the time the Army started deploying ANG and Reserve forces right alongside regular army forces, so Guard service pretty much DID guarantee an escape from Vietnam. Personally, I think Quayle made a smart move, but it would have been better if he refused service altogether.

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quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture Be safe and godspeed. Can you tell us your unit so we can follow along with news or is that classified?

142d Field Artillery Bde
224th Maint Co non-divisional
electronics section (yeah we hold all the power)

	22-02-2003 04:55									#46
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It's amazing how people change the way they act once they know they can't take your presence for granted. A girl that seemed to barely know I existed now gets all upset that I'm leaving. People waste too much time on games and trying to appear a certain way. It's sad that I have to find out how she feels as I get ready to leave. Very sad.

	22-02-2003 05:05									#47
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If I were you I'd tell her this was your last night in civilization before heading out for war then you ply her with liquor and take advantage of the situation. I know several guys who did that before my unit was deployed and none of the girls seemed to mind.

	22-02-2003 05:07									#48
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hey, I want some of the American hospitality too! Where can I sign up?

	22-02-2003 05:10									#49
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Hehe, getting laid before heading off to war is one of the few benifets a soldier has.

	22-02-2003 05:16									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin If I were you I'd tell her this was your last night in civilization before heading out for war then you ply her with liquor and take advantage of the situation. I know several guys who did that before my unit was deployed and none of the girls seemed to mind.

She is comming over here but I don't think I'll be doing that. She has been taken advantage before.


As George Clooney said in From Dusk Till Dawn.

I may be a bastard, but I'm not a ****ing bastard.

	22-02-2003 05:19									#51
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Your lose mate.

	22-02-2003 05:20									#52
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But before my halo shines too bright keep in mind this, my unit has more than a few females that will be deployed.

	22-02-2003 05:24									#53
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It almost never happens my friend. Why? The higher ups don't want lovers squabbles so they sepporate couples who are fraternizing. If your unit is following the same SOP as mine did then you'll have a week or so at the reserve center before you ship out. Nights are best used carousing and remember to tell every cute girl you're heading off to war. You never know when you'll get a simpathy ****.

	22-02-2003 05:25									#54
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Well then here's to your 'unit'


(where's the cheers smilie???)

	22-02-2003 05:28									#55
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quote: Originally posted by HolyWarrior Public Service Announcement: All liberals who ridiculed Dan Quayle for serving in the Indiana National Guard during Vietnam, your apologies are being accepted now.

I'm not particularly liberal, but the force structure of the US military has been deliberately changed post Vietnam such that any major combat deployment of US forces requires mobilization of reserve and NG units to provide CS and CSS capabilities. That was done to force the Congress and the American people to have to make a commitment to support of any war effort, or to cut it off entirely, not play things both ways as was done in Vietnam.

That situtation wasn't the case in Vietnam, when civilians were being drafted directly into the US Army while the vast majority of NG units never deployed, even in part. Quayle was IA prime draft bait out of college, and without political connections, would never in hell have gotten into a 25% fat unit not scheduled for deployment.

Same with Bush jr., or Gore's protected, chickenshit "service" in Vietnam, where it was made sure he was kept out of danger.

On behalf of "liberals" like Daniel Inoue, Bob Kerrey and others, and every other "ass in the grass" 11-Bravo out there, I'd like to say Quayle, Bush jr and Gore and their ilk can blow me before they'd ever get an apology.

Spray - hang in there, and stay in one piece.

	22-02-2003 05:31									#56
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Wasn't Gore in a Combat Camera unit? What a *****.

	22-02-2003 05:37									#57
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Yeah, for a short tour with orders to make sure he never got in any danger.

My brother figured out a way to attach his Mamiya camera to his M-60 so when he was flying (he was a door gunner in a Huey), he could take shots of whatever he was taking shots at. That's real combat camera footage.

Nothing quite takes the cake like LBJ's fraudulent Silver Star, though, that's still the all time worst for a major US political leader, at least that I know of.

	22-02-2003 05:38									#58
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As I recall, didn't Joe McCarthy basically lie about his combat experience to advance politically?

	22-02-2003 05:40									#59
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Yeah, "Tailgunner Joe"

	22-02-2003 05:41									#60
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Yeah that's what it was

The dumbass was known as the guy who fired off more ammunition than any other "tail gunner" - but he fired it all into the ocean and never went on anything other than milk runs