22-02-2003 05:48									#61
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Same with Bush jr., or Gore's protected, chickenshit "service" in Vietnam, where it was made sure he was kept out of danger.

IIRC, Gore did volunteer, but it was his father who made sure he was put into a cushy position where he'd be kept out of harm's way. Can't really hold that against him, IMO.

How many of you, if sent to a brutal warzone, were given the orders of photographing stuff and staying out of the thick of it wouldn't thank your lucky stars? Right.

Good luck Sprayber... hope you stay safe, and don't have to kill anyone.

	22-02-2003 05:58									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov IIRC, Gore did volunteer, but it was his father who made sure he was put into a cushy position where he'd be kept out of harm's way. Can't really hold that against him, IMO. How many of you, if sent to a brutal warzone, were given the orders of photographing stuff and staying out of the thick of it wouldn't thank your lucky stars? Right. Good luck Sprayber... hope you stay safe, and don't have to kill anyone.

i would thank my lucky stars, but people like Gore had a little more than lucky stars working for them, didn't they?

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	22-02-2003 06:14									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski i would thank my lucky stars, but people like Gore had a little more than lucky stars working for them, didn't they? ACK!

Again, is that his fault?

I recall reading a Washington Times article on the subject (which of course was anti-Gore in tone), but it quoted the reporter who was in charge of keeping Gore "out of trouble." His orders were top-secret, so as far as he knew Gore knew nothing of them. He said Gore did what he was supposed to do well, didn't seem to be afraid or unwilling to go into a combat situation and never gave a hint of exaggerating his own importance.

Oh, and Gore also saved the life of a fellow soldier. Sure, it was from drowning in a strong rip tide while they were on the beach, but hey...it's more than I've done!

	22-02-2003 06:17									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov IIRC, Gore did volunteer, but it was his father who made sure he was put into a cushy position where he'd be kept out of harm's way. Can't really hold that against him, IMO. How many of you, if sent to a brutal warzone, were given the orders of photographing stuff and staying out of the thick of it wouldn't thank your lucky stars? Right. Good luck Sprayber... hope you stay safe, and don't have to kill anyone.

Great rationalization. Obviously Gore's daddy couldn't volunteer him, but the simple facts are that if draft bait Gore didn't volunteer, even his daddy couldn't have likely fixed his MOS. Gore "volunteering" was intimately connected with his duty assignment, and Gore spent the vast majority of his time in Saigon, and the rest in rear areas. Hardly a "brutal warzone," unless you count bar fights in Cholon with the white mice.

	22-02-2003 06:23									#65
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Great rationalization. Obviously Gore's daddy couldn't volunteer him, but the simple facts are that if draft bait Gore didn't volunteer, even his daddy couldn't have likely fixed his MOS. Gore "volunteering" was intimately connected with his duty assignment, and Gore spent the vast majority of his time in Saigon, and the rest in rear areas. Hardly a "brutal warzone," unless you count bar fights in Cholon with the white mice.

So what? Gore could have deferred, he could have conscientiously objected, he could have done a lot of things...but he did go! You're telling me that if anyone else was told "If you volunteer instead of wait for the draft, you will get a better assignment," they wouldn't go and volunteer?

I think this is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't thing here. Plenty of others also "got away" with cushy assignments, because there were cushy jobs that needed to be filled. It's rather lame to then accuse them of being chickenshit because they didn't rush out into the jungle to kill them some gooks.

Gore never claimed to have been in combat, he always said he didn't do very much in the war. But he went, he did what he was told, he did it well, and that's more than many did. So what's the problem?

	22-02-2003 08:36									#66
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Good Luck from an old Navy vet. Forty year ago I was in boot camp. God time flys.
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	22-02-2003 10:42									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Good luck Sprayber... hope you stay safe, and don't have to kill anyone.

If it gets to the point to where I'm having to kill someone then the war effort has hit some major snags.

pharaprashing Rafter man in Full Metal Jacket.

"I'm here to take pictures, but if the **** gets too thick i'll go to the rifle."

Just replace taking pictures with using a multimeter

	22-02-2003 11:54									#68
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Ahhh, life in the maintaince company.

BTW I can't really blame Gore because my dad did something similiar during Vietnam. He didn't have a Senetor father to help him out but the choice was volenteer and choice your MOS or get drafted and become an 11B. He scored high and the ASFAB and spent 2 of his four years in training as a missile tech and another year learning German in Monterey. He's last year he was stationed in Germany.

When he went into the recruiter's office he asked "Where is the furthest away from Vietnam I can get'? The recruiter told him about a type of missile they only based out of North Dakota or West Germany so he signed up knowing he'd never see the wrong side of the Pacific.

	22-02-2003 12:08									#69
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Late Friday Night, looks like you will be heading out relatively soon. I hope you are enjoying your last time her Sprayber. Good luck and God speed with what you are about to go through...

	22-02-2003 13:59									#70
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I have everything ready and I have a few minutes to spare. This has been one of those weird tying up loose end nights. But I find that I wasn't entirely successful in that regard. The next five days will be spent standing in one line or another. I know at the end of one line will be a group of medical types with their needles combing through my records just dying to find a shot that I don't have and need. Another line will lead me to forms that may net me some extra money here or there. All in all it will go pretty smooth, since we did practically the same thing two months ago in preparation.

I'll try to pop in before the leap across the pond. Later on, if you guys happen to be watching CNN or BBC and see a bunch of rednecks dressed in desert fatigues with a large razorback flag flying above them, look close cause one of those guys may be me

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	22-02-2003 14:05									#71
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A good way to net a few extra bucks is to pad the amount of rent you tell them you pay. It goes by zip code or the amount on the rental contract you show them so you can download a form off the internet and then fill in an extra $200 and you'll get away with it.

Also are they making you get the intial anthrex shot or the booster? The first one was fine but the second one is the one people report having problems with. I didn't have any side effects but it has left a perminent little bump on my arm where the needle stuck me.

	22-02-2003 14:31									#72
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Good Luck Sprayber, and God Bless.

	22-02-2003 21:02									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Ande, and National Guard stands for Kansalliskaarti.

yees yees, I know. well, actually I would translate National Guard to SuojelusKunta.

	22-02-2003 21:14									#74
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Ande, yeah, that would be closer to their function, but you can't do that! You can't start translating your own man, don't be crazy man!

	22-02-2003 21:25									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Ande, yeah, that would be closer to their function, but you can't do that! You can't start translating your own man, don't be crazy man!

yeah, you're right.
would "minute men" be better translation to SuojelusKunta?

	22-02-2003 21:42									#76
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Hmm I'm not sure.. maybe 'cool paramilitary gun hos waiting for action' or something like that.

	22-02-2003 21:48									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Hmm I'm not sure.. maybe 'cool paramilitary gun hos waiting for action' or something like that.

*Andemagne ends threadjacking*

	22-02-2003 22:05									#78
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Good luck, Spray. We'll try and do our job here so that you don't have to see action.

	22-02-2003 22:24									#79
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Kill an Iraqi family for freedom and our way of life!

	22-02-2003 22:32									#80
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Kill an Iraqi family for freedom and our way of life!

Here we go again.

	22-02-2003 22:52									#81
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DD: Just ignore the ignorant.

	23-02-2003 05:49									#82
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Kill an Iraqi family for freedom and our way of life!

Why dont you just scream "baby killer!" and spit on him?

poor taste

	23-02-2003 06:53									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Again, is that his fault?

I do not have any info on his involment in the assignment process was, But it was definately Gore's fault that his was stoned on (and off) duty mcuh of his time there, as revealed by his service mates.

	23-02-2003 06:56									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman poor taste

Actually that is one of that Moses Pressly dipshit's less foul moments, you should view his crap more often.

	23-02-2003 06:57									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola I do not have any info on his involment in the assignment process was, But it was definately Gore's fault that his was stoned on (and off) duty mcuh of his time there, as revealed by his service mates.

And that would differentiate him from other soliders in Vietnam how?

	23-02-2003 07:43									#86
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Go make Saddam's government tank! (Get the pun?)

I have relatives over in Norway who helped sabotage Hitler's plan to make nukes. Theres my family war story. Kick some Republican Gaurd @ss, Spraybar.

	23-02-2003 08:24									#87
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Y'all just have fun at the massacre and not get hurt. We have to get the oil for the fatherland.

	23-02-2003 09:10									#88
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Moses: When will you be graduating from high school? I'm betting your in about 10th grade judging from you infantile behavior.

	23-02-2003 09:16									#89
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Sprayber: do your job, and come back to us safe!

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	24-02-2003 13:33									#90
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Hey Sprayber,

Just wanted to wish you good luck.

Your country is lucky to have people like you who are willing to make sacrifices. I hope that job offer is there when you come back.