21-02-2003 11:15									#1
	Problem with Choppers/Flying Worms Got spare money?

Greetings,

every since I installed ACX, the choppers and those flying worms only move one square per turn. They show as being able to move the correct amount however. The really weird thing is, that the CAN go on moving, if they are next to an enemy unit after every move!

WTF?

I always ignored this problem, since choppers and flying worms aren't so important, but I was just wondering what this is all about.

	21-02-2003 12:15									#2
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I suggest you re-install SMAX. That doesn't sound right.

And OMG, you say choppers aren't important?!? They are the most overpowering unit in the game. They have blitz attack (multiple attacs/turn), a single chopper can empty a close base from many-many-many defenders.

Don't ignore the choppers.

And don't ignore the Locusts of Chiron either. I think they are the only flying unit that can invade a base. And they don't have to visit your bases frequently.

	21-02-2003 12:23									#3
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Hmm... okay. I guess I never used them much to find out they are actually good (I don't like the graphic)

Unfortunately, reinstalling doesn't help. It's always the same. They worked fine in AC (without the X) however.

	21-02-2003 12:57									#4
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Hmm. I know that flying units like to end their turns if they move into bases not adjacent to enemy units, so this sounds like the game is treating every tile as a base tile. Do your choppers take damage for ending their turns outside of bases?

	21-02-2003 13:17									#5
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You have a point there. Choppers only move one square per turn, but they never take damage. But how could the game treat all tiles as base tiles? Especially only for choppers and the fly-worms? The other air units work fine.

	21-02-2003 15:14									#6
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I thihk to recall that another German player reported this same problem not many months ago. Or rather, he was even convinced that choppers *normal* range was 1 tile per turn!

	21-02-2003 15:43									#7
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo And don't ignore the Locusts of Chiron either. I think they are the only flying unit that can invade a base. And they don't have to visit your bases frequently.

Gravships can conquer bases too (but they come too late in the game to use them anyway).

To the problem at hand here:
How about infantry attacking something, do they get the +25% infantry vs base bonus everytime they attack something in the "open"?

If so, then all units treat the terrain as a base.
Just thought about this, because needlejets can fly through bases without having to stop there. Choppers and gravships (locusts are based on gravship chassis) do stop at every base they come through making the point "needles don't fly one square but normal" somewhat less important. [no offense meant, just an observation].
How about terraforming? You can't terraform within a base. So if you can't terraform...

By the way, did you edit alpha.txt (or alphax.txt for SMAX) or any other *.txt file, in that case you can try putting the original alpha.txt back (but that should also happen during reinstall, making this more or less an idle suggestion )

Anyway, I wish you succes in solving this problem.

	21-02-2003 16:45									#8
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Everything else in the game works fine. I can terraform (what great fun would AC be without terraforming...) and footsoldiers don't always get 25% bonus.
Are you sure that locusts are based on gravships? Because gravships work fine as well.

I copied the old rules.txt file from AC, but that didn't help either.

Well, I wrote a bug report to EA. Hope they still care about games that don't "directly" sell anymore.

Until then, I will have to do without copters.

	21-02-2003 16:48									#9
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What it's only a problem in the german versions...?

Locusts are not based on gravships. Only their movement style is similar.

	21-02-2003 17:59									#10
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo Locusts are not based on gravships. Only their movement style is similar.

I'm sorry to prove you wrong, aaglo, but a Locust of Chiron IS based on a gravship chassis, take a look at this exerpt from the alpha.txt file:

Locusts of Chiron, Gravship, Psi, Psi, 4,10, 0,CentGen, -1, 000000000000000000100000

It says "gravship" in the chassis place.

But I think I was a little unclear in my post, not mentioning that the COMPUTER thinks it is based on a gravship chassis (because the alpha.txt file says it is).
But therefore locusts should show the same sort of movement as gravship (because the computer thinks it is the same).

	21-02-2003 18:35									#11
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This is a known problem with the German edition. See this thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...ghlight=locusts

	21-02-2003 20:52									#12
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Thanks, there is a solution to the problem provided there.
For some reason, unity-choppers and Locusts have the ability "aircraft carrier" enabled in the german version of alphax.txt.

Interesting how that ability combined with air units leads to such a peculiar effect.

	21-02-2003 23:39									#13
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That would explain why it acts like every tile is a base for them. Any tile occupied by them counts as an airbase, and the presence of a landing site is checked after movement.

	21-02-2003 23:42									#14
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So it's constantly "landing" on itself? *sigh* some bugs really take the cake

	22-02-2003 03:13									#15
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Okay, that is _really_ amusing. I'm enjoying myself just trying to envision a locust trying to land on itself.

	22-02-2003 04:10									#16
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Having flying aircraft carriers does have a certain appeal, though... almost like really low-orbit starships with fighter bays.

	22-02-2003 19:00									#17
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Only true connaisseurs, after enduring years of suffering, can get to the point to finally *appreciate* some of the finest, vintage, FurXs© bugs

	23-02-2003 02:37									#18
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This is one amazing bug

	28-02-2003 15:09									#19
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Cool! S.H.I.E.L.D. helicarriers for SMAX!