21-02-2003 12:16									#1
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quote: Regan convicted of attempted espionage for Iraq, China Acquitted of attempted spying for Libya Thursday, February 20, 2003 Posted: 6:11 PM EST (2311 GMT) ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (CNN) -- A retired Air Force master sergeant was convicted Thursday of offering to sell military secrets to Iraq and China, and jurors are now deciding whether to proceed to a death penalty phase of the trial. After three days of deliberations, Brian Regan, 40, was found guilty of two counts of attempted espionage, related to attempts to sell information to Iraq and China, and one count of gathering national defense information. He was acquitted of attempting to provide U.S. secrets to Libya. Jurors returned to deliberate whether the documents Regan attempted to sell to Iraq meet the criteria for the death penalty set out under federal law. If they answer 'yes' to that question, the trial will enter a penalty phase, with additional testimony, to determine his sentence. The charges related to China did not carry death sentence. Regan's trial marks the first time in nearly 50 years that a defendant in an espionage case is facing the death penalty. The last accused spies to be executed were Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, who went to the electric chair after being convicted in 1953 of stealing U.S. atomic secrets for the Soviet Union. To proceed to a death penalty phase, jurors will have to find that the information Regan attempted to sell to Iraq involved nuclear weaponry, military satellites, early warning systems, means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack, war plans, communications intelligence, cryptographic information "or any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy." Paul McNulty, the U.S. attorney for the eastern district of Virginia, hailed the verdict, saying it came "at an important moment in American history when our need to safeguard military secrets has never been more critical." "This conviction demonstrates that traitors can and will be held accountable," McNulty said in a statement. Prosecutors said Regan, a father of four who was arrested in August 2001, offered to sell secrets from the National Reconnaissance Office, which analyzes information from U.S. spy satellites, to Iraq, China and Libya for $13 million. He had run up $116,000 in credit card debt, according to prosecutors. Investigators found letters from Regan to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi on his home computer, and Regan was arrested with a notebook containing encrypted codes describing the location of a missile launcher in the northern no-fly zone of Iraq and another location in China, prosecutors said. But Regan's attorney, Nina Ginsberg, said he was acting out a fantasy and never intended to hurt the United States. She said a real spy would not have sought so much money for so little information and pointed out that investigators never found 800 pages of CIA documents that his letters claimed that he had.

What do you think the appropriate sentence is for a case like this?

	21-02-2003 12:19									#2
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Death.

	21-02-2003 12:28									#3
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Letters that nobody knows if they have been sent. Encrypted "codes" (whatever they are).

Things are getting more and more bizzare in the US everyday.

	21-02-2003 12:39									#4
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The death penality wouldn't be approprait in this case. I say they just find him a nice cell and lock him in with a large man named "Bubba" for the next 50 years.

	21-02-2003 12:54									#5
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death by bubba

	21-02-2003 19:54									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Letters that nobody knows if they have been sent.

That just means they might have caught him before lasting damage was done.

	21-02-2003 19:58									#7
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letters to Ghadaffi and Saddam, he's not very subtle is he.

Sounds like a copmplete fantasist to me

	21-02-2003 19:58									#8
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Prison...20 years minimum I'd say.

	21-02-2003 19:58									#9
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The penalty for treason is death.
Spying is treason.

	21-02-2003 20:04									#10
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Yes, we all know treason is only acceptable if done whilst waving the Stars 'n' Bars...

	21-02-2003 20:04									#11
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20 years...

...tops

	21-02-2003 20:17									#12
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Screw off, again, Boris. Mouthy little pansy.

	21-02-2003 20:20									#13
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It is a well known fact since napoleanic times that
captured enemy spies are shot.

The man is a traitor (he was wearing the uniform of the
United State) while trying to pass information to another power. Since napoleanic times the law has been
traitors are shot.

Sounds like a job for that new S&W hand howister.

	21-02-2003 20:24									#14
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The citizens of hartlepool in Northern england hanged a monkey in the napoleonic wars on the basis that they thought he was a french spy.

	21-02-2003 20:27									#15
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger The citizens of hartlepool in Northern england hanged a monkey in the napoleonic wars on the basis that they thought he was a french spy.

Was the monkey eatin' cheese while surrendering?

	21-02-2003 20:31									#16
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Depends how much screw the country. If they give vital information of the other sides military, death.

If less than that, only endangering the national security, what ever that means, life.

If the information provided is not that vital for safety, then less prison..

.. and if caught trying to spy but not succesfull in it and first timer, deportation and losing citizenship + unofficial beating before he gets out.

	21-02-2003 20:34									#17
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lol at stinger

Death penalty is never appropriate in my opinion. Thing is, a spy is hailed as a hero in the country who he is spying for... the country that is being spied of course shoots the traitor...

Don't you think there are no spies spying for America then? All those secret service teams etc are paid with your money! So do people still have the right to shoot your American spies then?

I remember that incident with the American spy plane was caught (or crashed) down on Chinese soil... I don't remember it that well but i do think the crew was handed over to the Americans... according to the "shooit the traitor" bastards, the crew should have been shot, right?

	21-02-2003 20:36									#18
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And of course if the country spy is doing the work for is actually in a state of war against own country, death by default, no matter what the information is. Naturally in all of these cases their must be solid proof.

	21-02-2003 20:38									#19
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no matter what the information is?

boy, they ought to shoot crazy people like you in the head someday in order to rid the world of sick people!

	21-02-2003 20:38									#20
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What do you suppose happens to American spies, Trajan?
You think this is one of those infamous "USA Only" situations?

	21-02-2003 20:38									#21
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I was asking if it was okay then to shoot American spies...

I probably won't get an answer to this

	21-02-2003 20:39									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus I remember that incident with the American spy plane was caught (or crashed) down on Chinese soil...

Apples do not equal oranges.

	21-02-2003 20:40									#23
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I'll risk an outsiders view:

Well, the timing isn't exactly doing him any favors. Still, a master sargeant? What could he possibly have clearance for or even opportunity to lay his hands on?

He can be held accountable in other ways than capital punishment and the Rosenbergs crime was a whole different ballgame.

I'll buy the 20 years with Bubba, though Bubba may not be too interested...

	21-02-2003 20:49									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus lol at stinger I remember that incident with the American spy plane was caught (or crashed) down on Chinese soil... I don't remember it that well but i do think the crew was handed over to the Americans... according to the "shooit the traitor" bastards, the crew should have been shot, right?

Wrong, The plane was recording radio signals from
international waters off the coast of China. The
plane and crew were plainly and clearly marked as US
military. The Chinese buzzed the plane too close
and hit it, and it made a emergency landing in china.

It not a case of espionage.

	21-02-2003 20:51									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus I was asking if it was okay then to shoot American spies... I probably won't get an answer to this

Why wouldn't you get an answer?

ANSWER:
It doesn't matter what I think, it's a fact of war.
Spies are shot.
Join Boris in belittling, if that's how you want to go, but that won't change the facts much .

Look at James Bond. People always after his ass.

	21-02-2003 20:51									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus I was asking if it was okay then to shoot American spies... I probably won't get an answer to this

It's OK to shot anyone convicted of espionage, spying
is too loose a term really.

	21-02-2003 20:59									#27
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Not really. In a war, you're supposed to be in uniform of your "side".
If you're not, you'll be considered a spy.

	21-02-2003 21:02									#28
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Spy- to watch secretly usually for hostile purposes

	21-02-2003 21:30									#29
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Well, if a spy was wearing an enemy uniform, wouldn't he be shot as well?

	21-02-2003 21:32									#30
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I consider a spy to be an 'intelligence soldier'. Hence if a country is found to be actively spying on me, I would consider it an act of war (unless they were stronger than me ). As such, those captured, and found guilty of spying are prisoners of war. The only option I see is permanent exile. The guy wants to sell secrets to Iraq, huh? Let's send him there, see how he likes living in a barracks with Saddam...