09-03-2003 02:01									#31
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Posted on the savegame thread:

quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Sent to Togas, oliverfa and Dejon. Yarhoo! Mapmaking for everyone!

GoW is whoring. (what else is new? )

	10-03-2003 23:33									#32
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From the ISDG forum:
WARNING. Sir Ralph, I trust that you don't read on. The big red warning was just put as a visual aid.

spoiler(highlight to read): There's a discussion going over what to research next. Some say we should pick IW, in order to be able to see iron sources and to plan our expansion accordingly. Now here's the interesting part:

quote: spoiler(highlight to read): Originally posted by Calc II Invictus was SURROUNDED by hills yet no iron... IW

Some posts in between, and then E_T shares his POV, and some information about RP:

quote: spoiler(highlight to read): Originally posted by E_T We (RP) are in the same situation in the PTWDG with Iron. I will not go into any specifics but just to say that we were shocked at were we found our Iron Deposit at. The lessen is not to count your Resources before you have them in hand. E_T

edit; Shiber I masked the text using the [_spoiler] tag (no underscore]
hope you don't mind , alva

	10-03-2003 23:35									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II Im afraid that if I join GS, I would just realize that GS has been a boring team all this time. Only thing I can suspect is things that has happened with Vox... (the rest of this post is irrelevant)

Why do you think that some people perceive us as the "boring team"? Is it because of all the strat regulars, or is it something else? Discussion thread.

	11-03-2003 02:59									#34
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From the Vox thread in the PTWDG forum:

quote: Originally posted by mjmacy I will try to join the great VOX CONTROLI

(mjmacy is a "settler" and he's totally new to the concept of demogames)

Damn! Yet more instability is to be expected from our neighbour...

	11-03-2003 14:15									#35
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack (we got NO barbs at all and five techs... talk about being lucky).

That is lucky... at 30% odds for a tech (I think it's ~30% and my testing was just off) that's roughly .243% chance... Better if they opened more than 5 huts. From the wording it sounds like they got at least a couple non-techs. How big is their landmass? 5+ huts is a lot of territory on most maps.

	11-03-2003 17:52									#36
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Edit: damn, meant to post this in the discussion thread.

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From the ISDG game posted by Vondrack (lego)

quote: vondrack quote: Originally posted by alva Close, the last player of the pack, does see the barbarian battles before saving. Correct, forgot to mention this. I can see the barbarians attacking our units (or GoW's galley... as last turn ) when playing Lego turns. But as we are not the last one in the loop, we can see nothing in ISDG.

So barb galleys are already around !!!
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	12-03-2003 22:43									#38
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Edit: damn, should go in discussion thread. I moved it.

-Arrian

	14-03-2003 18:42									#39
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Vox is always the fastest team to play their turn, but it took them nearly 10 hours to complete their 1250 BC turn. Either their players experienced technical difficulties, or something is going on - possibly negotiations over contact with Lego.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to coordinate our trading plans with Vox, so that we don't end up standing in each other's way.

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Eek! According to what Vondrack says, ND is trying to sell our contact to GS! Since we're going to get Lego's contact anyway, Lego would just be handing over money to ND's hands in exchange for nothing.

quote: [20:36] Nimitz: hey so how GS doing [20:36] Shiber: very good, thanks [20:36] Shiber: our differences with GoW have been resolved [20:36] Nimitz: thats good [20:37] Shiber: they agreed to compensate us for their violation of the treaty [20:37] Nimitz: how [20:37] Shiber: i believe a message explaining everything has been sent to your ambassador [20:37] Shiber: i'm not sure if i am authorized to reveal the details of that agreement [20:37] Nimitz: well ok when hes on he can tell us [20:38] Shiber: it's not that they traded us some secret alien technology or something, lol [20:38] Shiber: i'm just not sure if DeepO would approve if i went "over his head" [20:38] Nimitz: what they got Synthetic fibers [20:38] Shiber: yeah, from a goodie hut [20:39] Shiber: they're producing an army of modern armor to destroy ND as we speak [20:39] Nimitz: lol [20:40] Shiber: they'll finish their first tank in 102 turns, and then ND should better run away while they can! [20:40] Nimitz: wow that fast [20:40] Shiber: anyway, your team is kindof holding the save [20:40] Shiber: not that i have anything against it [20:40] Shiber: i'm not sure if any of our players could play our turn right now even if you did pass the save [20:40] Shiber: i'm just curious [20:41] Nimitz: well vondrack is off at some dinner party [20:42] Nimitz: and we're working on a deal for maybe getting your contact [20:43] Shiber: what do you mean? [20:43] Shiber: you want GoW to sell you guys our contact or something? [20:43] Nimitz: no ND [20:43] Shiber: oh [20:44] Shiber: won't they be violating some sort of agreement? [20:44] Nimitz: not that we know of [20:44] Shiber: i thought that GoW strictly prohibited any team that they sell your contact to from whoring off your contact on their own [20:44] Shiber: therefore, ND is breaking a treaty [20:45] Shiber: damn those Bobian civs, they're just hopeless... [20:45] Nimitz: no they seal you to us [20:45] Nimitz: not us to you [20:45] Shiber: oh, that's completely different though [20:45] Nimitz: right [20:45] Shiber: lol, and i was starting to get real pissed off at ND [20:45] Shiber: lol, i feel stupid now [20:45] Nimitz: and no sale for ND [20:45] Nimitz: not ND I mean GoW [20:46] Shiber: and you intend to close this deal this turn? [20:46] Nimitz: yes most likely [20:47] Nimitz: We thought it would be good to let you know

PLEASE ADVISE QUICKLY, THEY'RE GOING TO SUM UP THE DEAL WITH ND. Do we want to let them go through with it and give ND money for essentially nothing, or do we want to advise them not to make this deal?

	14-03-2003 23:52									#41
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The chat continues:

quote: [20:49] so we're finally going to make contact, that's cool [20:50] yes most likely [20:50] so we can trade [20:50] do you intend to continue sailing around bob? [20:51] oh that trade you had us look is nice [20:51] I don't know [20:51] oh that trade you had us look is nice <- explain please [20:52] deepO sent a PM with a deal you are forming [20:52] still working on [20:52] oh, you mean republic and currency [20:52] they might want to trade republic for currency + cash [20:53] right

Chat continues, the rest is just casual chit-chat. I'll post more logs if I come across something interesting.

	15-03-2003 00:30									#42
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Are we allowed to tell Lego not to go through with the deal? I mean, your discussion is stricly "outside of the game", right? So Neu is just jumping on an opportunity here (as they should).

It would be great to deny them money, but I want to make sure we're allowed to do so.


Dominae

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	20-03-2003 03:09									#43
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#apolytonISDG, times are GMT +2:00:

quote: [23:15] * MasterZen just got accepted into Glory of War [23:16] Togas: God help us all [23:17] MasterZen: hahahahahaha [23:18] MasterZen: BTW, that was an EVIL hahahahaha [23:18] Togas: take a few minutes to soak in the very ... unique ... strategic situation of GoW and send me a PM, Zen

GoW told us that the situation on Bob is gearing towards war. Is this another sign?

	25-03-2003 05:03									#44
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quote: GF GoW, ND, and Roleplay are on Bob, GS and Vox are on Other Bob, the [u]island between[/i] Lego and Bob is Baby Bob, and Lego is on Not Bob.

Did we know this already? not sure..

	25-03-2003 15:50									#45
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quote: Originally posted by alva quote: GF GoW, ND, and Roleplay are on Bob, GS and Vox are on Other Bob, the [u]island between[/i] Lego and Bob is Baby Bob, and Lego is on Not Bob. Did we know this already? not sure..

Yes, GoW told us that they are searching for iron overseas, and that they have found one island already, though no iron deposits can be found there.

Edit: bleah, I meant to post this in the discussion thread.

	29-03-2003 22:38									#46
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quote: [20:11] Nimitz: how RP doing [20:12] Aidun_cleaning_up_his_room: Not very good [20:12] Nimitz: what happened [20:12] Aidun_cleaning_up_his_room: Republicans are trying to set fire to the palace

Aidun then gave Nimitz a description of what is going on in RolePlay RP-wise, of how the army is trying to take control of the situation and rioters are being killed and repressed and so on. If they're roleplaying the sprouts of revolution, it means that they expect to get Republic soon, either by researching it or by acquiring it.

	31-03-2003 20:47									#47
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Posted on the saved games thread:

quote: Sent to Ghengis Farb, Donegeal and Hot Enamel. We declared War on the Barbarians.

quote: Sent to Togas, oliverfa, Catsup and Dejon. Check out all the Barbarian Horsemen.............. There's like 40 something of them right above Lego. Hey, how come we didn't get any uprisings? Oh, I guess we had to have barbarian camps for that.

quote: Sent to Dissident & Betahound. We have found two STACKS of barbarian horsemen ... thanks a lot for going into the middle ages, guys :/ --Togas

Brace for impact!

Btw, it seems that RP was unprepared... good!!

	04-04-2003 10:02									#48
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Konquest02 posted in the Vox recruitment thread:

quote: I'm proud to announce the fact that Vox has a new member, me! So it looks like we'll meet again in the game! --Kon--

	09-04-2003 00:39									#49
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Togas, Aidun and NuclearisWinterius have been chatting for quite a while now in #civ3rp. Togas is currently at work, yet he's actively participating in the chat, which means that the discussion is very important (obviously).

	09-04-2003 03:44									#50
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Chatting with MasterZen of GoW.
He's a very nice guy, and we have some common interests. Most of the chat is personal, so I won't post it, but I can sum up some relevant facts that I managed to pull out:
1. GoW is afraid of Vox's immortals. They too have been listening to the military advisor lately, it seems.
2. GoW is interested in Feudalism. MasterZen tells me that the way things are looking so far, they'd take our price for it (dunno if they'd pay with cash or gpt yet, though).
3. MasterZen seemed absolutely excited when I mentioned that we could get Feudalism within 3 or 2 turns, if only GoW was willing to cover our additional expenses.

	11-04-2003 00:07									#51
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Chats with Panzer32 and Togas, times are GMT+2:00.
Note Panzer32 squirming when I ask for details about Vox's attacks. Note Togas spilling the beans about GoW's tech desires.

quote: [21:27] Panzer32: has your team discussed the Feudalism proposal? [21:27] Shiber: I trust it that you fare well. [21:27] Shiber: Port Isolation hasn't fallen, has it? [21:28] Panzer32: No. There is plenty of defensive terrain around there. [21:28] Shiber: But your city is not even on a hill. [21:29] Panzer32: We get immortals with horsemen, the turn after they land. [21:29] Shiber: Plains don't provide that much protection, and Vox have landed straight on that hill. [21:29] Panzer32: I mean, before they can move. [21:29] Shiber: You had your horsemen ready in Port Isolation for such a case? [21:30] Panzer32: Its not the most optimal situation; Vox placed that city poorely [21:30] Shiber: You had horsemen in Port Isolation, and attacked the immortals while they were on hills? [21:30] Shiber: You must be very lucky. How many immortals did you scrath? [21:30] Shiber: *scratch [21:31] Panzer32: Yes, we had at least 3 horsemen right around there, and more are on their way. [21:32] Panzer32: The thing is that Vox wants the area north of Port Isolation, so they haven't dropped off all of their troops right at PI. [21:32] Panzer32: Then, of course, they are spreading out their forces with attacking both of us. [21:32] Shiber: Regarding the tech deal, I suggest that you send us a confirmed offer for 100 gold and 5 gpt (confirmed so we could have the gold immediately next turn, otherwise we can't research at full speed, since our coffers are nearly empty and we need cash to burn through) [21:32] Shiber: Panzer32, how many immortals have you sighted? And killed? [21:33] Panzer32: so, GS accepts the deal? [21:33] Shiber: Panzer32, I can't say yet, but we certainly can't pull it off if you don't send an approved in-game proposal *this turn*. [21:34] Shiber: I can assure you that should we choose not to accept the deal after all, we will deny the gold. [21:34] Panzer32: Actually, I don't really look too often at the save; I believe we've got 2 or 3 so far. [21:34] Shiber: We're not going to pull a fast one on you there, lol [21:34] Shiber: Panzer32, can you have a look please? [21:34] Shiber: I thought you weren't getting the saves anymore at all. [21:35] Panzer32: I get them forwarded from GF [21:36] Shiber: Can you have a look please? [21:37] Panzer32: yes. I just need to save the saves from email. [21:38] Shiber: Btw, you realize that your team will be obliged to a 10-turn NDA on Feudalism from the moment that you receive it, right? [21:40] Panzer32: NDA = no trade, right? [21:41] Shiber: Correct. [21:41] Panzer32: ok, I looked at the save. [21:41] Shiber: As in our previous dealings. [21:41] Panzer32: I thought it was 7 turns [21:41] Shiber: Since we are providing Feudalism earlier, we want to increase the NDA's duration to 10 turns. * At this point the server was reset and everyone got disconnected. When I got back, Panzer32 wasn't there. Probably ran home to GhengisFarb and posted on the GoW forum asking what he should tell me ("umm, let me just open the save here… and ask GF what the hell to do!!").

quote: [21:40] Shiber: May I ask you something? [21:46] Shiber: Togas, may I ask you something? [21:47] Togas: sure [21:48] Shiber: How certain are you that Vox aren't really invading Bob? [21:48] Shiber: That "Operation McArthur" is just a ruse. [21:48] Togas: pretty sure [21:48] Togas: but not 100% [21:48] Shiber: Can I ask for your sources? If that's not too much. [21:48] Togas: what services, exactly? [21:49] Shiber: services? [21:49] Togas: oh, sources! sorry [21:49] Togas: My sources are the public PTW boards and other nations we've chatted with. [21:49] Togas: I don't have any secret sources or anything. [21:50] Shiber: I'm having strong suspicions that GoW are collaborating with Vox on this one. [21:50] Togas: it's possible, GoW likes to get involved with everything [21:50] Shiber: They are telling us that they are fighting Vox, but when asked for details, Panzer32 started squirming and providing excuses. [21:50] Togas: but GoW wouldn't want Vox on Bob, so if they are collaborating, that means Vox won't be invading bob [21:51] Shiber: I got disconnected by mistake (possibly been DoS'ed by Panzer32 so he could get away; the machine I'm using is an unprotected Windows ME) and when I got back, Panzer32 was gone. [21:51] Togas: I got discon too [21:51] Togas: I think apolyton reset or something [21:51] Shiber: Ohh. "Reset by peer"? [21:51] Shiber: Ahh well. [21:52] Shiber: and I was about to say "It's too bad that I don't have a firewall or at least a packet logger on this machine so I could know for sure"!! lol [21:52] Shiber: I'm just a paranoid geek [21:53] Togas: [21:55] Togas: Anyhow, if you think Gow is involved ... what will GS do? Do you feel GoW presents much of a threat? [21:56] Shiber: To GS? Absolutely not. [21:56] Shiber: Oh, btw, they've been trying to sell you Feudalism, right? [21:56] Togas: they say they're researching it. [21:57] Shiber: GoW is lying. They are violating an NDA. [21:57] Shiber: I suggest that you don't buy Feudalism from them. Our price is low enough, and we can spread the payments to just gpt. [21:58] Togas: Nice. Lego told us that another team is researching it ... probably GoW. But Lego could be wrong. [21:58] Shiber: GoW were researching it, but they stopped about five turns ago. [21:58] Togas: doesn't surprise me. They need cash for Riders. [21:58] Shiber: In any case, even if they didn't stop back then, and kept researching at full speed, they would still need at least five more turns from now to complete Feudalism. [22:00] Togas: True, but money is the issue [22:00] Togas: You see, we have Monarchy. GoW doesn't. [22:01] Togas: They want it. Therefore, we have potential for a decent trade. [22:02] Togas: we've spent too much on tech, are burdened with GPT deals right now, and are warry of new ones. [22:06] Shiber: Why is GoW so eager for Monarchy? [22:06] Shiber: The free unit support issue? [22:06] Togas: It's better than despotism [22:07] Shiber: Yes, but not as nifty as Republic. [22:07] Togas: bah [22:07] Togas: Republic is for wussies [22:07] Shiber: Reason? [22:07] Togas: Warmongers prefer Monarchy [22:07] Shiber: War weariness? [22:10] Shiber: Togas, are you there? [22:10] Togas: yes [22:11] Shiber: Do you think that WW is one of the reasons that they are preferring Mon. over Republic? (if you are allowed to say) [22:11] Togas: no idea [22:15] Shiber: Well, it's been a pleasure, but I must leave now. RL is calling. [22:15] Shiber: Gotta study some Physics. [22:16] Togas: Take care [22:16] Shiber: Take care [22:16] Shiber: lol!! [22:16] Togas: [22:16] Shiber: See you around [22:16] Togas: later

Am I correct in thinking that War Weariness is disabled in MP?

	11-04-2003 01:20									#52
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quote: GhengisFarb: Are you there? Aeson: Yes, I am now. Sorry for the delay in response (if there was one) GhengisFarb: We received an offer from Shiber for Feudalism in two turns if we give you 100 gold up front and 5 gold per turn. Is this correct? Aeson: Let me check the forum, I don't think we've officially decided on any offer yet though. Aeson: this is what I think you are referencing: "Shiber: Regarding the tech deal, I suggest that you send us a confirmed offer for 100 gold and 5 gpt (confirmed so we could have the gold immediately next turn, otherwise we can't research at full speed, since our coffers are nearly empty and we need cash to burn through)" Aeson :I have to say one thing, I think Shiber's math is off Aeson: it would be 3 turns almost surely. GhengisFarb: A one turn difference isn't a big deal I just want to know if the offer is valid, in which case I will send our side (100gold and 5gpt) and click accept this turn so that you have the money your next turn. Aeson: It would have a 10 turn NDA according to what Shiber said. Aeson: longer NDA because you would be getting it earlier GhengisFarb: Like we want to give it to anyone, we won't to keep ND from getting it as long as possible as whichever of us gets Chivalry first has the edge in our upcoming war. Aeson: I'm not able to officially decide these things either, so I can't give confirmation. The issue is up for debate in our forum right now. Do you have the save at this point? GhengisFarb: Yes, this is the only thing holding us from sending it on.

GF contacted me in chat. Just thought I'd post this. They are holding the save and would agree to a 10 turn NDA, sending us 100g + 5gpt this turn. We would send them Feudalism in 3 turns.

	13-04-2003 14:30									#53
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack 690BC savegame from Legoland now with Sir Ralph and nbarclay of Gathering Storm. Legoland celebrates.

Uhh... why do they celebrate?

	19-04-2003 02:32									#54
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Posted on the PTWDG "Who has the save?" thread:

quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Sent to Togas, oliverfa, and Dejon. Sorry it took so long, decisions decisions. So many undefended cities, so little time.

War?

	25-04-2003 21:22									#55
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Eli sent this via ICQ:

quote: So... Why did you leave all your cities undefended just to protect Arashi?

	26-04-2003 15:12									#56
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From GF in the turn thread:

quote: Evil Stormchickens! A nice old lady invited Mad King Donegeal and an Ambassador in for tea, only she laced it with arsenic first and poisoned them both!

	02-05-2003 18:32									#57
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quote: Originally posted by rendelnep Dear Editor, I wish to complain about the press coverage of the war between VOx Controli and Glory of War. I am admittedly a membeer of neither team but wish to complain about the abborrently blantant press censorship during this conflict. From what I gather Chickens and cows (which aren't There) are catapulting bananas at mythical immortals (oF which I frankly do not believe IN) while commiting sucide by attacking the enemy. This picture in my humble opinion suggests that either countries both have lead pipeing and as a result are becoming mentally retarded or this war is totally fictional and they are all coming to get us by catching us unaware because they are forming a evil conspircy. Please, as civilized rational human beings, tell the truth otherwise many foreigners will mistrust you and probably kill you in another confusing and bloody campaign of which the world has never seen. Yours Angerily, Rendelnep, Tunbrige Wells, Legoland

They're suspecting that this war is fake?
If rendelnep is honest about this, then this puts Lego out of the list of civs that may be sponsoring Vox.

How should we reply to this? (discuss somewhere else)

	02-05-2003 19:03									#58
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I didn't even know that GoW and Vox were pretending to be at war.

Where did they get that from?

	02-05-2003 19:06									#59
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He probably mixed up team names.

From GF:

quote: Whoah there, buddy. I don't know that I would necessarily consider GoW and GS at war. We had a deal that allowed our ships to travel unmolested and we agreed not to attack GS. A GS member stated in casual conversation that if we ever landed our Horsemen they would kill them. We landed our Horsemen on an undeveloped hill to get a better view of their interior and they killed them. We never declared war, and while they technicially had to to attack the Horsemen, it was something they said they would do previously so I don't necessarily hold it against them. Whether we are at peace or war is irrelevant as we have no visible trade route.

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Quote from Hot_Enamel:

quote: The threat by GS to kill GoW horsemen if they landed in GS territory peeved a few GoW members, so we decided to land a peace keeping observer and an official GoW war reporter to see what would happen. We figured GS would not really want bring a third civ into the war against them...especially since we gave our word that we would not harm them. But I guess they are arrogant enough to believe that they can take on 2 teams. The GoW are currently accessing their retaliation options..... The game mechanics show that we are at war...but retaliation / retribution can come in many forms....and can come at any time.