30-06-2003 02:38									#61
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Now here's an interesting bit. This is from DeepO's chat with Vondrack (currently ongoing).

quote: [00:27] {vondrack> maybe - but I think you best know what their GNPs are like [00:27] {DeepO> well... we do... [00:27] {vondrack> it's you, then a gap, then us, than a BIG gap, then the rest of the world

Assuming that not much has changed since Nathan's last investigation, Vondrack is defining 51 commerce (the gap between Lego and whoever is #3 in GNP) as a 'BIG gap', and the gap between GS and Lego (which is really 57 commerce, but Lego has no idea) as just a 'gap'.
This means that they think that our GNP is smaller than it really is. That's good to know.

	30-06-2003 03:16									#62
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Noticed that too.. he was kind of feeling us out. I can only assume they did the same kind of analysis, where they put everything on sea tiles, and see if they could reach us in commerce.

Difference is, that they have libraries, and possibly marketplaces... but this will change soon. We should remain first for a while.

DeepO

	30-06-2003 03:41									#63
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Also, they probably don't think we have as many units as we do. So when we gave them the idea we were at roughly 60gpt after upkeep, they probably didn't think we had around 100 units to support.

	30-06-2003 04:06									#64
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Let's do everything possible to keep this under our hats.

	12-07-2003 19:17									#65
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Now here's an interesting bit.
This is part of a post by Trip in the private ISDG forum. The context is not important.

quote: nobody was anxious to pick a fight with GS after they demolished Vox the way they did

	24-07-2003 02:20									#66
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb GoW's grievances against Roleplay are very numerous, quite possibly more than ND's. We have a Thread of Grudges you know, and this war should redeem many of the "Grudge Posts" in that thread.

GF just loves to spit out intelligence data from time to time.
This is an interesting inside look into GoW psychology. So they like to avenge their grudges? Cool, this might come in handy at some point. Let's just keep this in mind (and assume that they made a "grudge post" against our little city-flipping machination).

	24-07-2003 05:24									#67
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Edited out completely.

Last edited by Theseus on 24-07-2003 at 21:51

	24-07-2003 10:22									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Hot_Enamel wonders if GoW is ever going to kill anything in this entire game !! The Glory of War Actively involved in every war in the game Lux war = 0 kills Vox war = 0 kills RP war = 0 kills so far

Assuming they only mean those 2 horses in regards to us, but...

	24-07-2003 13:55									#69
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Theseus: should you really be posting that ISDG stuff? Members from three other teams have access to this forum.

	24-07-2003 14:09									#70
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Damn. I did not notice that, FP. I should have. Damn.

Well, it is edited now. We can hope that no rule has been violated.

I am sorry, Theseus. However, we have to keep in mind that some people have access to this forum who do not have contact with Poly in the ISDG. Communication about situations prior to contact is verbotten. I hope you understand.

	24-07-2003 19:37									#71
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Bring back the post, but put it in a quote box with a warning and change the color so that you'd have to highlight the text to read it. SR and Octavian won't look, I'm sure.

	24-07-2003 21:52									#72
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I got rid of it. Sorry.

	24-07-2003 22:03									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Bring back the post, but put it in a quote box with a warning and change the color so that you'd have to highlight the text to read it. SR and Octavian won't look, I'm sure.

The [ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ] tags do that automatically. They are wonderful things.

Changing the colour manually won't disguise it on all forum styles.

	24-07-2003 22:11									#74
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spoiler(highlight to read): Awesome!

	27-07-2003 00:19									#75
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Currently being discussed in the ISDG forum at MZO:

"When a Galley is fortified at the end of its turn it can see 3 tiles instead of 2. We can activate a unit on the Galley and the "Fortify All" option is enabled, even after moving a full 3 tiles."

I was not aware of this. It is clearly an exploit in SP, but I am open to it for MP.

	27-07-2003 04:18									#76
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I was unaware of this bug until it was raised in (I think) the ISDG forum here. It sounds very much like an exploit to me, and shouldn't be used IMHO. But if all teams are happy to use it I guess it's OK.

Not that I'm active enough in the ISDG for my opinion to count.

Oh yeah ... speaking of MZO ... to Arrian: LET'S-GO-BAHSTEN!

	27-07-2003 04:21									#77
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I didn't realize this exploit and personally don't see the need to use it in any circumstance. Can all ship units do this, or just a galley? If all can do it, then maybe its a "feature". I personally don't care one way or another on the matter.

	27-07-2003 04:35									#78
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Unitl an agreement on some form of 'rules' for MP, assume that people will use these 'exploits'.

Of course, in human vs human, it is not an exploit, because both sides can use it.

I would think if anything is over the line, our use of medeival teleportation would be.

	27-07-2003 04:45									#79
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I would think if anything is over the line, our use of medeival teleportation would be.

Well, you're probably right on that one. Truth be told, we have used as many tricks and exploits as the next team, probably. From short rushing an army to moving vox all the way around the world to gifting catapults, we are certainly in no position to criticize exploits (if you can consider them exploits in mp)

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I would think if anything is over the line, our use of medeival teleportation would be.

Don't agree, personally. It may be a clever trick, but it is no exploit: anyone can do it. It's not a bug we're abusing, although it's a feature probably not meant to be used like this. Plus, we haven't used it once for ourselves, but always for other teams (granted, they were our friends), and have told at least 3 teams (RP, Vox and Lego).

Besides, we still want to win, if we can't be creative in using the game mechanics, we would totally negate our strengths. If this was an exploit, Vox pillaging a road to have 80% of their empire as a warrior breeding room would have been an exploit as well.

DeepO

	27-07-2003 06:57									#81
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I agree, DeepO. And creative in using the game mechanics would include fortifying galleys at the end of their movement to gain a sight advantage. Both sides can do it, and nowhere has it been agreed that no-one will do it.

	27-07-2003 07:31									#82
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With the exception that the fortifying of galleys is a bug: if you would fortify a galley with movement points remaining, no-one would complain. However, the fortify all code has been buggy from the start, up until now it was thought it was only a display problem, instead of also actually doing something. So that's not really a game mechanic, in my eyes

DeepO

	02-09-2003 12:16									#83
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Hot_Enamel posted this in the ISDG forum wrt something that people who are involved in the ISDG will know about.

quote: Another point.. GoW felt that ND gifted our map away way to easily. (To Lego IIRC).

	02-09-2003 16:40									#84
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Shiber, we already knew about this... it was a mistake of them, Vondrack told us at the time when we were negotiating for contact. In that same week, maybe even the same day, GoW sold CoL to Lego... I remember because I had a chat with Lego in which we discussed both things...

DeepO

	02-09-2003 19:19									#85
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I forgot.
Thanks for pointing that out.

	19-10-2003 01:57									#86
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Posted by Un0 in the MZO thread re a C3C MPDG:

"GoW is definately for sale. There just have been a remarkable lack of offers. As I said, I don't think anyone took us seriously.

Did RP offer us anything of value to switch sides? No.

Did GS offer us anything to help against Vox? No.

Against ND? No.

Will Lego ever get their turtling ass of their island paradise? No."

	19-10-2003 21:31									#87
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I wonder what price it would take to get them to attack ND?

Or if that would still even be possible.

I don't think trading RP for GoW would be good, though, as in, we'll attack ND if you stop defending RP. That's a no go.


I don't even know what we could offer them beyond gold.

	19-10-2003 22:38									#88
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maybe we should ask them.

we could say were unsure about whether it's worth the units to take them out of the game when it may be possible to work something else out.



Also perhaps mention that in the current situation lego could prop up any side that's losing and keep the war going untill they win a space race.

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	11-11-2003 05:02									#89
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Not to be insanely paranoid, but has anyone else noticed the recent change to Beta's tagline?

	25-11-2003 07:37									#90
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I have nothing to say here... but I'm making a point.

Does anyone have any new intel?