 |
| |
|
|
Asher
|
 |
Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:26
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You don't have to have a philosophy degree to be influenced by higher level philosophy. David is a very educated man (and did liberal arts in college). All social sciences is influenced by philosophy. |
Why is it that no one wants to stick with what's being debated?
I'm talking about the philosophy departments in schools.
No one has at all given me any kind of evidence of what that department has done.
We've now gotten to the point where we're citing anyone who made a funny show in the past 15 years who has a liberal arts background for why philosophy is useful. 
quote:
100 years ago the university system wasn't the same as it was 200 years ago. What is your point? |
The point is, the current philosophy department in modern universities isn't doing anything but running around in circles. No one has proved otherwise, they keep trying to change the subject for some reason. 
quote:
On the contrary, Wittgenstein came within the last 50 years. Postmodernism, Fukiyama's 'The End of History' hypo, etc. |
Whoa-whatnow?
You can't just spew out buzznames/words, you need to tell me what they do for us...
quote:
Because we understand how important philosophy is to our fields (such as economics, history, political science, etc.). |
Philosophy, in the sense you've used it, is nothing more than ideas. That doesn't need its own department.
You've not yet cited some guy who majored in philosophy that's done something for society in the past 50 years. Closest is some liberal arts guy...
quote:
The question remains WHY does Astronomy matter, after all it gives us no benefits in the present, but it MAY in the future. |
Because the more we understand about where we came from (age of universe, etc.), the more we understand about how we got here.
We don't need philosophers who keep thinking up contradictory hypotheses for that, you see.
Philosophers exist to fill a void not filled by science. That void is filling up, which is why its usefulness is on its last legs as a field in university.
quote:
Philosophers in unversities today may come up with a new politics in the future. |
Just how many new politics can we have?? You don't need to be a philosophy major to think up political systems...come on Imran...
quote:
Why is one potential futuristic endevor favored over another? Is it because of your science background and inherant bias against anything dealing with 'social sciences'. |
No, it's because one endeavor has factual basis, and the other is just whatever somebody is thinking at the time.
Why don't all these philosophers go get a job as a talkshow host like all the other people with ideas, hmm?
NYE:
quote:
So, public safety is something worth spending money on, but enlightenment is not? Is not an educated citizenry very important for the safety of a nation? |
So you maintain the only way to enlightenment is to study philosophy in university?
And I don't think an educated citizen in philosophy is important at all to the safety of the nation, actually.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
CyberGnu
|
 |
of the Virtual Serengeti
Apr 1999
time: 05:26
|
|
quote:
lot, Asher.
I am a wiser person. I am a better citizen, because I am more aware than just having listened to the latest talk radio show.
I was trained to think critically, and to come to my own conclusions. I can contribute to current discussions in a positive way, more positive than if I had not had that education.
As for what it has given back, the stats say that the average holder of a degree will pay far more taxes than those who do not. I would say that most any graduate of a Canadian University will more than pay his or her own way.
|
Ah, but notyou, would not those same things be true if you had gotten a degree in, say, engineering?
I should add that my position is less extreme than Ashers, though. I firmly believe that history is a valid subject, and should be taught and funded. Hey, if the average american knew more history (apart from the Civil War), the US would be a better society than it is today.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Asher
|
|
Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:26
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by notyoueither
What sort of problems, Asher?
Human problems? I doubt it. |
People in, say, Engineering are trained in general problem solving. You have X many resources, Y places to put them, and Z uses -- how do you do it? Stuff like that.
And many companies hire, say, engineers to do exactly that -- human problems. They hire them because they're proven problem solvers having survived engineering, which is a lot more rigourous than a History degree.
For example, the people my father work with are ALL engineers by training. The company hired them straight out of university, and NONE of them have done engineering work, at all, since they were hired. They're doing human resources and finance and negotiation stuff these days, project coordinators.
I could never see the large companies hiring a history major for the same duties.
quote:
Ethical problems regarding reproduction? Not even close. Give me a few dozen Ethesicsts, please. btw, they are philosophers. |
I'm not old enough to consider reproduction a problem. 
|
|
| |
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:26.
Apolyton Time is 00:26. |
top of page
|
| archivepost |
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|
26-02-2003 11:05
|