25-02-2003 14:47									#1
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OK I don't necessarily support this. I just happened to hear about this, and was wondering if this is even feasible.

I'm sure this website is from some whack job, but here is the link
http://www.geocities.com/cmcofer/ftax.html

Here is what this tax will do (from the website):

OK, let's review: The FairTax Will:

• Repeal the federal income tax.

• Repeal all payroll taxes including taxes on Social Security and Medicare.


• Protect and ensure the funding of Social Security and Medicare.

• Repeal corporate and self-employment taxes.

• Repeal all estate, gift, and capital gains taxes.

• Taxation of income will be unconstitutional upon repeal of the 16th amendment.

• Allow you to keep 100% of your paycheck, pension, and social security payment.
View your Paycheck! under the FairTax plan.

• Bring about a reduction of the cost of new goods and services by 20% to 30%.

• Raise the same amount of money for the federal government, i.e. "revenue neutral."

• Eliminate the Internal Revenue Service.
- No more taxpayer time wasted on filling out cumbersome IRS forms.
- No more IRS audits of individual taxpayers, no more IRS intimidation,
no more levies, liens or home seizures by the IRS.

• Substantially reduce tax rates for lower and middle-income Americans.
- Income Tax vs FairTax: MONEY AHEAD!

• Allow families to save more for home ownership, education and retirement.

• Provide a universal rebate equal to the sales tax paid on essential goods and
services to ensure that no American pays taxes on necessities. REBATE!
Important! The Rebate is based only on family size (not on Income).


All Americans will receive the Rebate, in advance, monthly! Click REBATE!
above for more info. All Seniors, including those on Social Security, will be
pleased to note that they will receive the Rebate, too.

• Apply a 23% tax-inclusive rate sales tax on the purchase of New Goods and
services in the U.S. Note: Used Goods and Education costs (ex: College Tuition)
are not subject to the FairTax.

• Make American products more competitive at home and overseas. Encourage
job-creation in America. Help reduce America's Trade Deficit.

• Stimulate economic growth in the U.S. by a far greater amount than the
government's "tax-cuts" and "stimulus package" will ever do... and enable
the economy to continue to grow year-after-year.

	25-02-2003 15:05									#2
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We've got one. And income tax.

	25-02-2003 15:10									#3
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yes but income tax is horrible in the U.S.

And there are so many exemptions. Why should a woman with no self control get all kinds of tax credits for having 20 kids? screw that.

	25-02-2003 15:10									#4
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You can't kill off other taxes just because you put in a sales tax, this is silly.

Canada got one too, the GST.

	25-02-2003 15:16									#5
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...and yet, that seems to be the direction the Bush administration is heading in.

	25-02-2003 15:19									#6
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They won't take away any taxes by adding the GST.

The Liberals got elected a decade ago on the promise of ridding us of the GST. It's still there.

	25-02-2003 15:21									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Asher They won't take away any taxes by adding the GST. The Liberals got elected a decade ago on the promise of ridding us of the GST. It's still there.

You never give those Eastern liberals a break, do you?

I think that this idea sucks because it discourages spending.

	25-02-2003 15:22									#8
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The GST is a bit high at 7%. If they cut it they might stimulate the economy somewhat.

	25-02-2003 15:25									#9
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There was even talk of RAISING the GST last year.

	25-02-2003 15:26									#10
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quote: • Make American products more competitive at home and overseas. Encourage job-creation in America.

That is very important.

	25-02-2003 15:29									#11
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A bunch of idiot Hong Kong politicians want a sales tax here.

They figure if the government taxes everyone, including the poor and 16 million tourists a year, it will mean the rich won't have to pay more taxes.

The accountants love the idea because it means more paperwork, and that means more work for them.

	25-02-2003 15:34									#12
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I've never forgiven the Conservatives for inventing the GST.

Remember how the Conservatives kept saying that it would be revenue-neutral. It would just replace some existing taxes, they said. Turns out it brought in an additional couple of billion of taxes a year.

	25-02-2003 15:38									#13
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Ideally I'd like to totally remove sales tax and raise all tax from incomes. That seems a lot fairer to me.

	25-02-2003 15:43									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger The GST is a bit high at 7%. If they cut it they might stimulate the economy somewhat.

Pffft.

10% in Australia.

	25-02-2003 15:45									#15
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Does Australia have provincial sales taxes in the ~10% range that get added on top of that?

	25-02-2003 15:47									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai A bunch of idiot Hong Kong politicians want a sales tax here. They figure if the government taxes everyone, including the poor and 16 million tourists a year, it will mean the rich won't have to pay more taxes. The accountants love the idea because it means more paperwork, and that means more work for them.

What do you expect? We are ruled by idiots.

	25-02-2003 15:48									#17
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Would this be a tax on all sales or final sales?

Some problems:

I doubt this rebate will create a progressive tax structure. So if you are not a fan of a flat tax, you may get fooled.

"Make American products more competitive at home and overseas. Encourage job-creation in America. Help reduce America's Trade Deficit."

I do not think this tax will have a big if any effect there. How should it?

"Used Goods and Education costs (ex: College Tuition)
are not subject to the FairTax."

So some tax subsidies will stay.

"Bring about a reduction of the cost of new goods and services by 20% to 30%."

A reduction? A sales tax may reduce the cost of wages, but that is slapped on at the final stage.

"yes but income tax is horrible in the U.S.
And there are so many exemptions."

A reform of income tax would be a better way.

	25-02-2003 15:52									#18
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Another problem: it's effectively a consumption tax, so it subsidises saving. Another distortion.

	25-02-2003 15:59									#19
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VAT (the sales tax) is 17.5% in the UK. Doesn't apply to 'basic' food or childrens clothes or a couple of other things.

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Asher: No.

	25-02-2003 16:03									#21
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But no regional sales taxes in the UK.

	25-02-2003 16:04									#22
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quote: VAT (the sales tax) is 17.5% in the UK. Doesn't apply to 'basic' food or childrens clothes or a couple of other things.

Like Jaffa Cakes. :yum:

	25-02-2003 21:31									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident yes but income tax is horrible in the U.S. And there are so many exemptions. Why should a woman with no self control get all kinds of tax credits for having 20 kids? screw that.

Not that anyone has 20 kids, but why shouldn't people get tax exemptions for raising kids. It's important work, and people need it.

	25-02-2003 21:35									#24
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I showed a lack of restraint last year, and had me a baby, and I got me a big fat return check. Ha ha Dissident!

	25-02-2003 21:37									#25
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National sales tax is just a gimic set up to shift the tax burden. Any rebate that would be included would just be a compromise. The wealthy would still end up benefiting at the expense of everyone else. It's their baby, and they aren't going to support it unless it benefits them. You don't see the democrates coming up with these things.

	25-02-2003 21:56									#26
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This is a plan by Conservatives to shift the tax base so that the rich and corporations pay even less taxes.

	25-02-2003 22:30									#27
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VAT is 12% for food and 25% for other stuff here and still the income tax is high

	25-02-2003 22:32									#28
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I find sales taxes annoying enough when I go to other states. No way in hell I'd want to have to put up with one on a daily basis.

	25-02-2003 22:59									#29
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basd idea because it is regressive

only income or wealth shuold be taxed

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	25-02-2003 23:58									#30
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I agree, there should be a movement towards more progressive taxation. Besides there is the confidence issue; a lower price tag is psychologically better, even if you are just taking money elsewhere...