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ThePlagueRat
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Insert banana to play...
May 2002
time: 06:26
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OhmygodKing! Hot water right on the naked body?! 
I use cold only. But then again, I got something strange living inside my ears nowadays. Well... I believe it's still better than the hot Olive oil which we use to punish our enemies with. We call it the "bath tub".  Perhaps if you replace the boiling oil with warm water? Nah, I wouldn't dare to go in there anyhow. 
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Assuming Neu Dem does not build any further southern cities, you have 20 turns to amass an attack force. What do you build? Where do you station your units? How do you strike? |
ooc: 1 turn= 1 month
One rainy day, in the year of great conspiracy 1475 BC, Col. Sanchez de Plãguatés was on a short leave from the GuObs. He sat in his Hacienda study, plotting. It was not the ordinary plotting against the other spanish clanleaders and officers. This time it was a plot against an entirely different civilization... The warmongering people he called Neu Devils. He loathed them nearly as much as The Watcher's goons, and now El Dictatore had given signals of offensive manuevers, so on this day Sanchez looked interested. At least it was something to follow up.
He wrote the initial sketches of the plot:
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Uno: Supply lineros
First of all I will order all of the Spanish workforce to connect our cities to Iron, first of all Madrid. Our capital will have completed barracks before the workers have finished, so it can produce well trained offensive units in Madrid. In fact, barracks must be established for training and reinforements in some of our northern cities. These barracks on the frontier there can have no longer completion time than 5 months, these cities must build about 2 units each in 15 months. Roughly estimated.
About that time, workers can start roading a supply line towards Marlowa (2 jungle tiles) under cover of constructing a friendly trade route. I would estimate somwhere below 10 months if four workers does the job. At least it can be done within the deadline. Technology costs will have to be lowered drastically, so we can have our coffers full of Pesetos, which is essential to upgrade all the warriors poor equipment and train them in the use of buckler and sword. We also need payments to our diplomat in ND. Hrmf, they are such bloodsuckers, so I dont know if we can afford it.
Dos: Diplomatico
We must calmly alert the Neu Demons that we are on a campaign northwards to fight GoW, and demand they stay away. So we will move along their border, or hide and deploy in the mountainous areas(right above the jungle) if this the diplomacy fails. How we will actually perform this diplomatic stunt, we can come back to...  I don't know how they will react yet. We can say we gotta send some men to help Trip's refugees or something, so there are two possibilities: Either they sniff the poison, or they want to help us in any way. So I believe I choose to hide North of Madrid and then strike from the mountains. I'm not a diplomat you see.  *Sanchez grabs his knife scratching his mustache with it*
Tres: Deploymentos
At this time, many young men will have been rallied in Madrid and other cities and they will have no scruples as to kill as many Neu Demons as they see. Most of them will be trained in the use of buckler and sword, but some will also be mounted.
Two battle groups are needed for the campaign, one big down south, and one just a little smaller up north. I will order 'no killing innocents' before they have arrived. (underneath where ND military is present now) They will be deployed NE and S of Neu Theben, in stack formation so they are not easily exposed.
They northmost group will station there only a short time before they backstab ND on the 'kill them all' order, which they know so well. I will call this stack 'Armada Peligroso', and it's a not a decoy altoghether, though we might think of it so cause it share that function too. It will not stray too far from the other group, so they can join later. If diplomacy works and ND sense no danger they will be deployed in the northern nomansland. This Armada is built up by some spearmen/swordsmen and also many horsemen, tailored to fight on open ground in nomansland and win+heal before entering enemy lands. They should be at least 6 units. (incl. 3 horsemen ) They will move tactical to take few hits. Taking high ground, horsemen to charge, etc. *Sanchez talks as if he had done it many times before, but he had not*
In the south where the other army group it stacked within Saragossa, it can now deploy surprisingly outside Marlowa 'cause of the road. I will call them 'Armada Conquista' They are mostly swordsmen and very skilled, but might also drag along some sort of rock-throwing equpment if we get the opportunity.
Go ask some wise guys how it can be made!
Well, at least 9 units (incl. 6 swordmen)
This stack will join the other forces near
(preferrably north of) Neu Theben.
The remaining composition is trivial, and altoghether we use approx. 15 units total, and that can be achieved in 20 months,
if we upgrade our 5 warriors and link the cities, and almost all cities contributes to the remaining 10 units. This is rough calculation. *Sanchez sits with some beans, counting them*
Quatro: Conquista
These men shall not kill for fun, but they shall kill for conquest. (and then they will have a little fun)
They are supposed to blitzkrieg their way up to Neu Theben and take it. We will have to pay the envoy into NeuTheben and/or Marlowa to see how many they are in there. The shiny contents of our coffers after the upgrades will decide if we can do that.
Ok, then Spain is at a new juncture, GoW might have been involved on their side or ours. If GoW join forces with our enemy, this war can be prolongued and we must completely disable Neu Devils. If GoW is on our side, Neu Delvis will humbly apologize for not being spanish and bow their necks before the andalusian axeman. 
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Jun 2002
time: 06:26
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Great Despot Togas,
Thanks to your great vision of the future, our people can aspire to eradicate the evil which camps in the north of our borders.
Our defense is consolidated gradually and our offensive force will be built soon.
I would not be a good adviser if I hid you that our army is still weak to envisage a massive attack in only 20 years.
We would need for that a few additional years (10-15) so that our forces grow and are involved as it is advisable for the objective to take the enemy capital.
But since such is your desire, and undoubtedly the will of all the Spanish people, we will prepare with the attack, with for objective, will take the town of Marlowa in 23 years (turns).
I based myself on the plan of our Master of slaves, whom I slightly modified in order to have a favorable situation in 20 years. I hope, Oh Great Leader, that you will trust me for the figures that I will provide you, which can of course be explained in detail.
In 20 years, our armed forces will be in the following way made up:
Garrisons:
Santiago: 3 regular spears
Saragossa: 3 regular spears and barracks built
Pamplona: 1 regular spear
Madrid: 1 regular spear and 1 vet spear and barracks built
Barcelona: 1 regular spears
City of iron: 1 regular spear
Attack force:
In the North-West of Saragossa, in our borders, we will have:
2 veterans spears
2 regular spears
2 Veteran Horsemen
4 Veterans Swordmen
These units will be invisible for the enemy, until one gives the order of attack. Our spy service will tell us how many defenders Marlowa has in.
Assuming that Marlowa isn't strongly defended, once the order given, the units will move towards the North-West, then the war will be declared.
2 years later the city will be ours : the spears will absorb the first enemy attack, then our swordmen will attack and take the city.
Thereafter we will reevaluate the situation, and if it is favorable for us, we will move our units on the peaks of the enemy mountains, in order to attack their capital.
I await your further instructions
Viva España!
Don Pelayo Astronicus
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Apr 2001
time: 05:26
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After a few months of healing the soldiers of the Feocalvos group, Capitan Nuñez decided to stay a while longer and recruit some of the indigenous natives from the vicinity and train them to swell the ranks.
On a bright sunny summer's day after the first training, a message was brought to the Capitan that a scout had spotted a group of horsemen approaching. The riders wore the bright blue colours of Spain's leader, Lord Togas.
An hour later a young man on horseback accompanied by several armed guards rode up to the center of camp and asked for Sir Nuñez.
"We have a message from Lord Togas, it is of such importance that no one must hear it, not even the guards that have escorted me. Is there anywhere we can talk?"
-Certainly. Skiff! Get a torch and a water hide.
Shortly after the Capitan led the messenger to a cave hidden by a great rock. He pushed aside the rock with some effort astounding the courier.
"That rock must weigh a hundred men! It's not possible for any man to move such stones!"
-Don't worry, it's not as heavy as it looks. -the Capitan replied with a smile.
He continued to lead him deeper and deeper down a path until they were standing in a great natural cavern so large that neither the top nor any of the walls were visible in the torch light.
-Speak. -came the command
"Lord Togas is contemplating an offensive, sir. Assuming Neu Dem does not build any further southern cities, you have 20 years to amass an attack force and a battle plan. "
-What!? In 20 years!? Remember, I have been absent from news of Spain's progress for several decades. I'm afraid I don't know how our situation is...
"I am here to tell you everything you need to know, sir."
And so they sat for hours discussing the happenings of Spain...
OOC I'm gonna need a little time to figure out exactly what we have and what we don't have. If you could post the city screens for last turn that would make things a little easier than scouring through the countless ancient threads. I'm gonna start, but as I probably cant get complete control today, if someone could be so kind  OOC
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Insert banana to play...
May 2002
time: 06:26
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Originally posted by GodKing: 1
Why do you seek to lead our glorious armies?
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Good question. I feel that the army of Spain would benefit from my experience as an offensive commander. I think offense is the best defense, and that Spain will benefit from tearing off it's smily mask soon. We will of course keep the symbol as an ironic grin.
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Which do you prefer to dealing with them, Offensive (going out and taking there villages for our own) or Defensive (letting them come to us and banging their heads on our fortresses)?
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- Offensive mainly, but even better if if we can diplomatically
outmanouver them so that we have a 'casus belli'.
(A reason that others will respect, especially the GoW.)
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Our embassy has been opened with the barbarians, and we know they left their capitol relatively undefended – which means they probably have a rather large offensive force. How do you plan on countering it?
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- Since we don't know where we will meet their main force yet,
this is a rather difficult question. We will have to ask our military advisor (the helmet guy) how strong we are compared to them,
and make sure we are stronger, and have an overload of offensive units.
If we find out that Spain is weaker than ND, we should postpone this offensive. In 20 galactic cycles I think we can be stronger, though... (according to my plan above) And if we are, we can invade and go hunting for the heathen-warband, but I would prefer gathering clues of intelligence prior to attack.
So we need all the pesetas we can get.
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What will you do if the boot licking lackeys of the Neo Devils, GoW, decide to join in our holey crusade of eradication of the heathens?
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- It would be a benefit if they did join us.
'Cause if they did not, ND would seek them out and reward them for terrorizing Spain. I'm sure they would support someone who pays their bills.
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What would your ultimate goals regarding the Neo Devils be? Do you seek assimilation or merely a large reduction in their ability to wage war?
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Declarations of war – in this situation do you fear diplomatic repercussions (there are no AI players to worry about) if you attack without a declaration? What other differences would you make as there are no AI players?
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- The diplomatic part can easily become the worst and most embarrasing. I think it will be unappropriate to attack without declaring war. We need an excuse to attack them, and I'm sure we can make one up. Such as ND having a ballista throwing spears 30m longer than other ballistas and they did not disarm it.
Even better, we can strive to involve GoW and convince them that they must attack ND within 20 Galactic cycles, and we will support them by pushing from south. Because we heard rumors ND was planning to backstab GoW.
What do you cavalieros thinks?
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:26
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Great Lord Togas:
I see GodKing's idea a very good one. Could I be the next to ask a question after the secon has been answered?
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Jun 2002
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I am very surprised that Togas allowed you, the Pot Chamber Cleaner, to ask questions to your future General !
But it shows that undoubtely you were hidden us some of your best qualifications.
Since your questions are surprisingly interesting, I accede to enlighten your brain :
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Originally posted by GodKing
Why do you seek to lead our glorious armies?
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First, I am a patriot. Second, since generations, the Astronicus family has in his blood the military feeling and skills.
My father, Martin Astronicus IV, currently an old man, gave me the order to follow our Despot in all His Great Purposes.
Now, it's time to Spain to know what an Astronicus man can make for His Glory.
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Over the next 20 Galactic Cycles or so, each of you is to prepare an offensive and defensive approach to the heathen Neo Devils to the north. Which do you prefer to dealing with them, Offensive (going out and taking there villages for our own) or Defensive (letting them come to us and banging their heads on our fortresses)?
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Señor GodKing, you know as well as me that our nation is unable to deploy a powerfull attack at the moment. We must prepare for defense first, but be ready for a future attack against the ND capital within the next 40 years. While preparing this attack we need wait until 1000 BC to make our final decision. If ND attacks first, be sure that we will be ready to destroy them.
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Our embassy has been opened with the barbarians, and we know they left their capitol relatively undefended – which means they probably have a rather large offensive force. How do you plan on countering it?
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Our well defended cities don't fear a ND attack at the moment. If they attack in the next 20 years we'll have enough forces to reduce them to a mass of pudding.
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What will you do if the boot licking lackeys of the Neo Devils, GoW, decide to join in our holey crusade of eradication of the heathens?
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EDIT : Hard to say. We should be very careful with such an alliance. GoW could lie to us and search to ambush us and finally fight on the ND's side against us.
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What would your ultimate goals regarding the Neo Devils be? Do you seek assimilation or merely a large reduction in their ability to wage war?
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Well, it's hard to say now, but if we reduce the ND power after a first war, it could be useful to convert them into a vassal state and to have consequently a buffer land between GoW and us.
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Declarations of war – in this situation do you fear diplomatic repercussions (there are no AI players to worry about) if you attack without a declaration? What other differences would you make as there are no AI players?
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It is true that we can make sneack-attacks each other without an automatic loss of reputation. But I think that will be bad in the middle-long term, because the other nations could alliate against us until our total extermination. I would prefer to remain noble in all the circumstances, so all the nations would always trust us (until the ultimate sneack attack, hehehe )
And now, please, Señor GodKIng, return to your nauseabond duties, I am very tired 
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LzPrst
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Apr 2001
time: 05:26
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Courier: "Assuming Neu Dem does not build any further southern cities, you have 20 turns to amass an attack force. What do you build? Where do you station your units? How do you strike?"
Capitan Nuñez: Oy veh! Has Lord Togas had too much wine? We dont even have a settler to ensure us Iron!
And what cities had barracks? Saragossa? Pamplona? You forgot to tell me. Madrid will build one!? Without properly trained units an invasion is madness.
An attack in 20 cycles is near impossible as far as I see it. Anyone who tells you differently has a very optimistic view of our forces.
I would first of all have a barrax built in saragossa, a settler in pamplona followed by barrax then horsemen in both cities until we have a large supply of iron coming in.
We dont need a spearman to escort the settler, the Guerra Obs and/or the Feocalvos can take care of it.
Madrid should build barrax before building spearmen, it seems that everyone assumes regular units will do.
They WONT!
My soldiers were nearly defeated by a bunch of barbarians that were as green as a 13-year-old holding a spear for the first time due to pure BAD LUCK!
The Deamons are not idiots. They'll have more troops in their capital by now and their soldiers may well sent to be stationed in Marlow, as a starting point for invasion and/or as a defense that can cut off any army we send north. To counter that we should move a horseman on the far western coast and pillage the road between them making sure they dont strengthen the capital with any spearmen/swordsmen.
Diplomatically I think we should trash our diplomatic channels with GoW, and move troops north telling ND that we dont want to fight on our own land, that's why our troops are so close to their borders. If Gow joins the Deamons when we attack, then boohoo for them, we will have crippled ND by the time a GoW expeditionary force can reach us and they wont like to stand against us without their powerful ally.
The Plan:
When we have an army (The Slayers) consisting mostly of some 6-8 horsemen + 3-4 spearmen + a few of our upgraded warrior-swordsmen we send them three leagues (squares) northeast then straight north from Saragossa, keeping out of view until we reach Neu Theben's borders.
We'll be standing on the mountain on the outside of their borders then move west into their borders, obviously an act of war. Hopefully we can insult them then into declaring war on us, if not we declare and kick their asses. Our horsemen should then charge their capital (ND might try to seize the closest mountain blocking a slow swordsman army making that tactic risky) and burn it!
We should have a warrior or two (The Scouts) spread out in, and north of, the jungle to make sure we're not detected by the enemy. They wont see warriors as a threat nor will they think its part of an invasion force.
After that we should make a stand in the mountains with the remaining spearmen and horsemen, "Slayer A", keeping any enemies from moving south through the pass.
The swordsmen, "Slayer B", should stay on the mountains, moving north in groups positioning themselves in strategic locations. We should possibly sacrifice a few horsemen to destroy their roads and production capabilities further north.
By the time we have gotten that far we'll have more swordsmen trained in cow valley, "The Banishers", will push up and take Marlow. After burning those particular fools the conquering army will move further north joining Slayer Corps A and march to the remaining cities of the enemy.
We should have a map of their land, but remember, we CANNOT trade maps until after we have the iron connection.
That is my current strategic analysis. I'll revise it a little (possibly a lot) but I dont believe 20 cycles is enough to prepare such an offensive.
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Sep 2002
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Thanks for allowing me to ask the next question, my Lord.
Gentlemen:
We are assuming that, in the case of an attack, the Neu Daemons will come through the land were our two northern cities (Saragossa and Santiago) are settled. But what if they attack Madrid directly from the East? Do you think it is possible? If yes: Do you have a plan to be prepared, or react quickly enough, against this posibility? If no: Why?
Señor Godking has already asked you about what is your ultimate goal concerning the Neu Daemons in case of an attack. But, if they don't attack, should we attack once we are ready?
If yes: We have lots of unsettled land. So, why conquer even more land? Or why upset the other nations appearing as the bad guys?
If no: Can we afford having a powerful and dangerous enemy to our north? Is it safe?
Thanks for your attention, and I wait for your answers.
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Jun 2002
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Originally posted by oliverfa
We are assuming that, in the case of an attack, the Neu Daemons will come through the land were our two northern cities (Saragossa and Santiago) are settled. But what if they attack Madrid directly from the East? Do you think it is possible? If yes: Do you have a plan to be prepared, or react quickly enough, against this posibility? If no: Why?
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Señor Fernandez, I don't fear such an attack, because the lands to reach Madrid directly are wild and consequently hard to cross by an army. We will of course patrol this area to detect this possibility. But think on this : if the Neu Demons were coming from the North of Madrid we could have two possibilities : a) Attack directly against the ND capital with a great offensive army, since the main forces of the ennemy would be on the long way to Madrid, while keeping many defensive forces in Madrid (well defended on hills) and surroundings. b) redirect part of our offensive forces to Madrid in order to fight them before they reach our mountains and hills. I think in any case such an attack could take us by surprise, and we allways could react since we could move faster than them using our roads.
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Señor Godking has already asked you about what is your ultimate goal concerning the Neu Daemons in case of an attack. But, if they don't attack, should we attack once we are ready?
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Good question señor Fernandez. As a General, I allways would have a powerful army, ready to attack, but I'm not the Great Despot ! I think that having a peaceful expansion is allways a good solution, while having strong defense positions and well trained attack forces ready to execute well planned actions to destroy our ennemies.
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If yes: We have lots of unsettled land. So, why conquer even more land? Or why upset the other nations appearing as the bad guys?
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As I already have said, I am a noble fighter, Señor Fernandez. I think all countries should have enough lands to growth peacefully. But if it appears that other evil peoples could become a serious threat against the vital expansion of our Glorious Empire, we should fight them.
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Probably not. But we should have evidences that such people is stronger than us and that they plan to fight against us. And our Military Advisor has recently said that our army is again average as theirs.
Don't forget that GoW will allways be a threat against ND. We should first exploit this diplomatically to ensure that we are not going to be the first target of ND. I think that after the Lux elimination we should work of convincing ND that the following people to be whiped out should be the Chinese, not us.
Don Pelayo Astronicus
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Great Lord Togas,
As you all know, my late uncle Eduardì was a very frightened old man. The reports of the great war to our north frightened him so badly that he took to his bed and tried to stay as much under the blankets as possible. My poor old uncle thought that if the blankets covered him, no Arab could see him. “The cat! The cat!” he would moan. “Who will save my school from the yellow cat?”
We were all very surprised when we told him the news of this competition for he sat up in bed for the first time in weeks and called loudly for a scroll and a quill and wrote a question. “Take it to the Palace, Guifré,” he told me, “I have long been a foolish old man, but even foolish old men can point out something that the wise overlook. Lord Togas will make a wise decision no matter what, but perhaps my question will remind the generals of something. Ah me, I am dying! I leave you the school, Guifré.”
Lord Togas, I beg leave to fulfill my uncle’s dying wish and ask this question of the competitors.
Guifré Pikesfan
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Insert banana to play...
May 2002
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Originally posted by oliverfa
We are assuming that, in the case of an attack, the Neu Daemons will come through the land were our two northern cities (Saragossa and Santiago) are settled. But what if they attack Madrid directly from the East? Do you think it is possible? If yes: Do you have a plan to be prepared, or react quickly enough, against this posibility? If no: Why?
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Neo Daemons attacking from NE is possible. However, not the most likely. Anyway, we should station major parts of our attack force in Madrid until it is clear that we are going to take Neu Theben. So if they go through the NE jungle or hills, we would meet them there and kill them all. An attack on us will come slow through harsh terrain, and we can react quickly enough when we have the patrol units and road network operative.
In the case we are attacking Neo Theben at the same time
they are attacking Madrid from NE, (not very likely, but could happen) then we should try to defend Madrid while taking Neo Theben. We cannot afford having loads of troops garrisoning Madrid while we are being offensive, so this would be bad.
In this case it's kind of a draw, and we should have to resolve diplomatically.
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Originally posted by oliverfa
Señor Godking has already asked you about what is your ultimate goal concerning the Neu Daemons in case of an attack. But, if they don't attack, should we attack once we are ready?
If yes: We have lots of unsettled land. So, why conquer even more land? Or why upset the other nations appearing as the bad guys?
If no: Can we afford having a powerful and dangerous enemy to our north? Is it safe?
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Good, critical questions...
The plans are on this stage hypothetical sketches. I would be tempted to answer yes, but I think we better wait a bit more than 20 galactic cycles until we launch any such plan.
We can settle some more lands in the meantime and build the infrastructure. Thus, the we will have more military production locations during a war. If our army don't get properly reinforced, and the enemy manages to reinforce theirs, we will lose.
In fact I would recommend attacking them, because if we don't they can be much more powerful in the future and even attack us. Si señor... It's not safe to have them there. Besides, the Spanish army is in great need of more glory and experience. 
The problem is: If we have no diplomatic 'excuse' we will be the ones who will look like bloodthirsty maneaters, and we can make even more enemies. I think GoW should be tempted into attacking ND, and then we get involved. We need a plot who involves GoW as warmongers somehow...
It's not because of land we should conquer them, it's because of their ill-doings, luxeating, powerhunger, junglesettling, etc. Ok, but their lands will be spoils of war, and we can share just a bit with GoW if they help us.
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I don't necessarily see myself as the man to lead Spain's armies. I merely have thoughts on the matter that could be implemented into a possibly successful strategy.
There are of course many options and I am not 100% sure that my choice is the best, but I am a tested soldier and I have considerable knowledge in the ways of war. If it comes to war, and I am given the lead then I will distribute my responsiblities to others who are capable and consult with my officers at every turn to reach the best decision before acting.
Our strength is our diversity.
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Over the next 20 Galactic Cycles or so, each of you is to prepare an offensive and defensive approach to the heathen Neo Devils to the north. Which do you prefer to dealing with them, Offensive (going out and taking there villages for our own) or Defensive (letting them come to us and banging their heads on our fortresses)?
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A defensive war is easier in many ways, we will have a system of roads to move our troops by, a jungle as buffer and good for stationing defensive units in and proximity to our production centers.
However, we will not have initiative. We will only be reacting to the enemies actions and unless we smash all enemy armies very quickly we cannot make an effective offensive. We will then end up with a war of attrition, on OUR land.
I believe we have to take the war to their lands, their farms, villages and cities.
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Our embassy has been opened with the barbarians, and we know they left their capitol relatively undefended – which means they probably have a rather large offensive force. How do you plan on countering it?
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One word: Mobility! If they invade we will have our roads to ensure a offensive defence. If we are on the offensive and meet such an army on the field of battle then we should have the element of surprise and the ability to retreat and regroup. A strong cavalry is my solution to the problem. We will try to keep the enemy on flat ground and have our riders skrimish and destroy those weakened in battle against our swordsmen (and spearmen, we should have a lot of those with us in battle).
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This might cause a problem depending on their army's size and form. However I do doubt it will happen. The result of such a war would give the Demons massive lands to expand into and even more strength. GoW would be forever living on their good will. It is in their interest to balance us and ND against eachother.
If however they are crazy enough to attack us, then I believe it will take some time for an army to reach us. When they do we will hopefully have destroyed most of ND's troops and can deal with the GoW invasion.
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What would your ultimate goals regarding the Neo Devils be? Do you seek assimilation or merely a large reduction in their ability to wage war?
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I would like to see Marlow and Neu Theben burned to the ground and our soldiers placed on the fortified line of the jungle that I have presented earlier. If anyone builds a city that will extend its borders to our line of defence we will destroy it. This will be my policy if we successfully defeat our enemy. Besides that ND can colonize the rest of the continent for all I care. As long as we are stronger and can burn their cities if need be, they are irrelevant. At this stage they are not.
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Declarations of war – in this situation do you fear diplomatic repercussions (there are no AI players to worry about) if you attack without a declaration? What other differences would you make as there are no AI players?
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My assumptions are based on the assumed actions of the other nations. We should try to not show ourselves as untrustworthy warmongers. I leave this to the diplomats. That is all I can say.
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Mars Colony
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We are assuming that, in the case of an attack, the Neu Daemons will come through the land were our two northern cities (Saragossa and Santiago) are settled. But what if they attack Madrid directly from the East? Do you think it is possible? If yes: Do you have a plan to be prepared, or react quickly enough, against this posibility? If no: Why?
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The length of the march itself is discouraging for an enemy army. Simply because our capital is not near the front lines shouldnt mean that it be poorly defended. I want at least 3 spearmen + possibly some swordsmen stationed as Madrid Observatores in the mountains north of the city. Preferably in fortifications. This would ensure an early warning system as well as slow the enemy down. Our main force should then be able to follow the road (which must be completes AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!) and bolster Madrid's defence with strong units.
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Señor Godking has already asked you about what is your ultimate goal concerning the Neu Daemons in case of an attack. But, if they don't attack, should we attack once we are ready?
If yes: We have lots of unsettled land. So, why conquer even more land? Or why upset the other nations appearing as the bad guys?
If no: Can we afford having a powerful and dangerous enemy to our north? Is it safe?
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I believe we should attack in time. Marlow is positioned to close for my liking. The jungle was to act as a buffer between us. Marlowa makes this a problem as their culture will expand and possibly push back further our line of defence. Unacceptable!
Also, burning Neu Theben will set a powerful example as to the strength and dedication of Spain.
And no, we cannot afford a powerful opponent so close. It is not safe, they could at any time attack and if GoW joins in a coordinated attack we will lose. We must make it so that we are in time at least 50% stronger than our most powerful rival.
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Insert banana to play...
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Originally posted by pikesfan
I hear of many plans to attack or defend from the human portion of ND’s army. (If they send the giant cat instead, then we are goners ) But how do you generals know that your plans have taken into account the worst ND can send us? In short, how big an army do you think ND has, or will have, and what is your evidence for it? |
Interresting questions señor Eduardi. Well, neither will I speculate in how big an army ND can send us. There is no accurate evidence of this information except from what the military advisor estimates, and what the spies can tell us. This estimate is floating between average and stronger military strenght, and this is giving our plans some needed hope. 
What is just as important (perhaps even more) than the current strenght estimate, is the real strenght potential . That means having more cities (and I mean productive ones) than they do, can lead to our final victory.
Furthermore, when they understand that we are not coming in peace, they should be as unprepared as possible. So if they are stationing most of their men far north, it would mean initial success for us. After this initial success, we must be able to 'out-produce' them in reinforcements. As every war goes, the opposing sides will do its uttermost to reinforce their battle groups and strike back. So if they are building more cities now, we should have to build some too.
However, we cannot wait too long to attack if these plans should be effective. So I say we just build one more settler now, and perhaps postpone the attack some turns.
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:26
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Don't pay any attention to any roleplay of these candidates, vote for their ideas. Here's an objective comparative summary to make it easier to choose between the three candidates.
1. Why do you seek to lead our glorious armies?
Astrologix: “First, I am a patriot. Second, since generations, the Astronicus family has in his blood the military feeling and skills.
My father, Martin Astronicus IV, currently an old man, gave me the order to follow our Despot in all His Great Purposes.
Now, it's time to Spain to know what an Astronicus man can make for His Glory.”
LzPrst: “I don't necessarily see myself as the man to lead Spain's armies. I merely have thoughts on the matter that could be implemented into a possibly successful strategy.
There are of course many options and I am not 100% sure that my choice is the best, but I am a tested soldier and I have considerable knowledge in the ways of war. If it comes to war, and I am given the lead then I will distribute my responsiblities to others who are capable and consult with my officers at every turn to reach the best decision before acting.
Our strength is our diversity."
PlagueRat: “I feel that the army of Spain would benefit from my experience as an offensive commander. I think offense is the best defense, and that Spain will benefit from tearing off it's smily mask soon.”
2. Over the next 20 Galactic Cycles or so, each of you is to prepare an offensive and defensive approach to the heathen Neo Devils to the north. Which do you prefer to dealing with them, Offensive (going out and taking there villages for our own) or Defensive (letting them come to us and banging their heads on our fortresses)?
Astrologix: Defensive on the short term. Having the ability to attack within 40 turns.
LzPrst: Offensive, defensive leaks the initiative.
PlagueRat: Offensive, eventually with a reason that is internationally accepted.
3. Our embassy has been opened with the barbarians, and we know they left their capitol relatively undefended – which means they probably have a rather large offensive force. How do you plan on countering it?
Astrologix: Defensive in any case.
LzPrst: Countering by offensive defense in case of ND approaching our cities, otherwise using an offensive strategy. On the battlefield LzPrst prefers to use horsemen.
PlagueRat: Countering by defensive strategy in case of Spain being weaker than ND, otherwise using an offensive strategy.
4. What will you do if the boot licking lackeys of the Neo Devils, GoW, decide to join in our holey crusade of eradication of the heathens?
Astrologix: discourages an alliance with GoW because of the threat of being betrayed.
LzPrst: neutral: GoW won’t attack ND because it will reduce them to a vassal state, GoW can’t effectively attack us due to the large distance between the lands.
PlagueRat: encourages an alliance with GoW because of the extra strenth of both armies and to take away the option for ND to use mercenaries.
5. What would your ultimate goals regarding the Neo Devils be? Do you seek assimilation or merely a large reduction in their ability to wage war?
Astrologix: Reduce ND in power in order to change it into a vassal state and use it as a buffer to GoW.
LzPrst: Only burn down Marlow and Neu Theben and make sure ND is irrelevant in power to Spain.
PlagueRat: No comment . Comment of the journalist: “May I conclude this means the total demolition of ND?”
6. Declarations of war – \in this situation do you fear diplomatic repercussions (there are no AI players to worry about) if you attack without a declaration? What other differences would you make as there are no AI players?
Astrologix: Prefers declaring war officially rather than sneak attack.
LzPrst: Prefers no sneak attacking, but leaves it up to the diplomats.
PlagueRat: Prefers declaring war officially rather than sneak attack and wants to get the war internationally accepted by using a reason to attack as mentioned at question 2.
7. We are assuming that, in the case of an attack, the Neu Daemons will come through the land were our two northern cities (Saragossa and Santiago) are settled. But what if they attack Madrid directly from the East? Do you think it is possible? If yes: Do you have a plan to be prepared, or react quickly enough, against this posibility? If no: Why?
Astrologix: Considers it unlikely but possible. Plan: either move part of the offensive forces to Madrid and attack the attackers so that they can’t reach the mountains and hills.
or attacking Neu Theben with the attack force and keeping a strong defensive force in Madrit to defend Madrid.
LzPrst: Considers it unlikely but possible. Plan: have 3 spearmen and additional swordsmen if possible in mountains surrounding Madrid to watch out for an assault. In case of an attack LzPrst wants to move the main force to Madrid to defend it with these additional units.
PlagueRat: Considers it unlikely but possible. Plan: either move part of the offensive forces to Madrid and attack the attackers so that they can’t reach the mountains and hills.
or attacking Neu Theben with the attack force and keeping a strong defensive force in Madrit to defend Madrid. PlagueRat only want’s to use this option if no other option si possible. He rather solves the problem by diplomacy than using this option.
8. Señor Godking has already asked you about what is your ultimate goal concerning the Neu Daemons in case of an attack. But, if they don't attack, should we attack once we are ready?
If yes: We have lots of unsettled land. So, why conquer even more land? Or why upset the other nations appearing as the bad guys?
If no: Can we afford having a powerful and dangerous enemy to our north? Is it safe?
Astrologix: Wants to expand rather than to attack and have both a strong defensive and offensive force te be able to attack at any time if needed.
LzPrst: Wants to “attack in time” under any circumstance. “We cannot afford a powerful opponent so close.” LzPrst wants to be prepared for an coordinated combined attack of both ND and GoW by having an army that is at least 50% stronger than that of our strongest rival.
PlagueRat: If this situation occurs PlagueRat wants to wait and delay the attack in order that we build an even stronger military. After this little delay he wants to attack to weaken ND because he thinks a powerful opponent shall in time attack us. PlagueRat doesn’t want to attack without an internationally accepted ‘reason’
9. I hear of many plans to attack or defend from the human portion of ND’s army. (If they send the giant cat instead, then we are goners ) But how do you generals know that your plans have taken into account the worst ND can send us? In short, how big an army do you think ND has, or will have, and what is your evidence for it?
Astrologix: Is unsure about the plans of ND to attack us. His general plan is to have a strong defensive and offensive military “in order to be ready for the worst”.
LzPrst: Is sure that ND is not planning to attack us very soon because they haven’t kept on building swordsmen in order to create multiple attack forces or strengthen their attack force. He thinks guessing about the strength of ND’s military is useless because we never know for sure. He suggests using spies to get an idea of the strength of ND’s military.
PlagueRat: Doesn’t want to speculate either and only wants to base his plans on information given by the in game military advisor and information of spies. PlagueRat considers production capacity (the amount of cities and their production rates) more important than the actual strength of the army. Having a higher production capacity than our rivals is what he sees as the real path to victory. PlagueRat thinks that a large army means only a first initial succes in a war that takes much longer than this first battle, after this battle the production speed of reinforcements will determine which country is going to win. He wants though to build but just one settler now and perhaps postpone the attack some turns.
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