27-02-2003 15:19									#1
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This is one big **** up, it could have killed the poor man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2801673.stm

	27-02-2003 15:31									#2
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It's definitely quite a screw-up, although I can see why they made it (same name and passport number, etc.)

It's also a shame that the media doesn't give as much coverage to the FBI's successes.

	27-02-2003 15:36									#3
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Fair enough to arrest him, but holding him for 3 weeks is ridiculous

	27-02-2003 15:39									#4
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If he's a wanted man, I don't see anything wrong with holding an innocent for a short time just to make sure they get the right man.

We need to fight crime without barriers.

	27-02-2003 15:49									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Paul Hanson It's definitely quite a screw-up, although I can see why they made it (same name and passport number, etc.) It's also a shame that the media doesn't give as much coverage to the FBI's successes.

It wouldn't get this kind of press here if he wasn't British.

	27-02-2003 16:49									#6
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BBC gave so much coverage because it is so blatantly anti-American.

	27-02-2003 16:52									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's BBC gave so much coverage because it is so blatantly anti-American.

Bods I know you are just trolling, but the poor bloke is 72 and was kept in a tiny dirty cell for 3 weeks for something he could not have possibly done.

I'm not sure it could be described as anti-american.

	27-02-2003 16:54									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's If he's a wanted man, I don't see anything wrong with holding an innocent for a short time just to make sure they get the right man. We need to fight crime without barriers.

3 weeks, a 'short time'? i hope i'm fit enough at 72 to be able to survive it!!

	27-02-2003 16:54									#9
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quote: It's also a shame that the media doesn't give as much coverage to the FBI's successes.

Thanks. Nothing like a good laugh to start out the day.

	27-02-2003 16:54									#10
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These days you can't say anything that is even mildly critical of anything that has the slightest relation to the US without being accused of being anti-American by some people. It kind of ruins most discussions.

	27-02-2003 16:56									#11
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Bods I know you are just trolling, but the poor bloke is 72 and was kept in a tiny dirty cell for 3 weeks for something he could not have possibly done. I'm not sure it could be described as anti-american.

You can't blame America for South Africa's cells.

It doesn't matter how old he is - justice needs to be done, and the suspected fraud is of that age anyway.

It's judges and people like you that are letting criminals worldwide get away and cause havoc.

	27-02-2003 16:58									#12
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So Bod's you are all for people being held without being charged?

Next time you are in a drunk tank I will recommend that they keep you in there for 3 weeks on suspicion of being a troll.

	27-02-2003 16:58									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's You can't blame America for South Africa's cells. It doesn't matter how old he is - justice needs to be done, and the suspected fraud is of that age anyway. It's judges and people like you that are letting criminals worldwide get away and cause havoc.

	27-02-2003 17:02									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH These days you can't say anything that is even mildly critical of anything that has the slightest relation to the US without being accused of being anti-American by some people. It kind of ruins most discussions.

Same for just calling people a troll, or resorting with smiley to an otherwise sensible post (beofre you start referring to my treatment of UR, who is a fool).

	27-02-2003 17:04									#15
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you can't tell me in this day and age it takes 3 weeks to assertain someones identity?

	27-02-2003 17:05									#16
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Bods how can you take seriously a post which equates being against the locking up of innocent old men with being against anti crime measures. You make yourself sound ridiculous, hence the laughing

	27-02-2003 17:06									#17
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Yes. until we bring in identity cards. Oh but TheStinger and MikeH are against those as they are totalitarian..

	27-02-2003 17:07									#18
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Bods how can you take seriously a post which equates being against the locking up of innocent old men with being against anti crime measures. You make yourself sound ridiculous, hence the laughing

It's not just 18 to 21 year olds who commit crime you know.

Let's have Harold Shipman go free!

	27-02-2003 17:07									#19
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I said innocent

	27-02-2003 17:09									#20
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How did we know he was innocent?

Someone had stolen his identity, so for all we knew he was guilty.

Bet you were reading the Guardian about this?

The protection of all civilians is more important than the fraud of one man.

	27-02-2003 17:12									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Yes. until we bring in identity cards. Oh but TheStinger and MikeH are against those as they are totalitarian..

Well as they nicked his passport number I would have thought they would have stolen any info on an identity card so that wouldn't help.

	27-02-2003 17:13									#22
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The identity card should have a fingerprint or retina image on it, so identity would be obvious.

	27-02-2003 17:15									#23
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what was the British embassy doing while all this was going on? trying to not to get in the way?

	27-02-2003 17:15									#24
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If you have a forged id card wouldn't you put your own fingerprint and retina on it? Just like if you steal a passport number you'd put your own photo in it.

	27-02-2003 17:15									#25
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How would a British identity card help prove or disprove the identity of someone wanted by the FBI.

It would mean in this case that the FBI's case was strenghthened.

	27-02-2003 17:16									#26
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever what was the British embassy doing while all this was going on? trying to not to get in the way?

watching the cricket

	27-02-2003 17:19									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Let's have Harold Shipman go free!

...i'm trying hard to resist the joke!

	27-02-2003 19:29									#28
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Why did he waive his right to an identity hearing in South Africa?

	27-02-2003 19:37									#29
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He is 72 and didn't know what to do.

He offered not to contest the extradition in order to clear up the mess in the US.

None of this is his fault

	27-02-2003 19:39									#30
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"He is 72 and didn't know what to do."

So he is stupid?