27-02-2003 21:17									#1
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Forbes is reporting on the world's richest leaders:

quote: Be warned: Valuing these folks is a tricky business. First we must determine privately held assets versus those held in trust for the nation. For example, we don't count the crown jewels or Buckingham Palace as part of Queen Elizabeth II's net worth. They technically belong to the British state, much like the White House belongs to the U.S. government. Some estimates are fuzzier than others. We calculate Fidel Castro's wealth as a percentage of Cuba's GDP. Arafat's net worth is based on proceeds he is believed to have skimmed from Palestinian Authority income. Kings, Queens And Despots Of the richest heads of state, only four would make our billionaires list based on their personal fortunes. Click on any name for more information. Name; Country; Estimated Net Worth King Fahd Bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud Saudi Arabia $20 billion Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah Brunei 11 billion Hans Adams II Liechtenstein 2 billion Saddam Hussein Iraq 2 billion Queen Elizabeth II United Kingdom 525 million Yasir Arafat Palestinian Authority 300 million Queen Beatrix Wilhelmina Armgard Netherlands 250 million Fidel Castro Cuba 110 million

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	27-02-2003 21:25									#2
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What an arbitrary set of figures ... but at least they have the decency to admit they made half of them up.

	27-02-2003 21:25									#3
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Arafat has 300m???? No way!!!

	27-02-2003 21:26									#4
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quote: Some estimates are fuzzier than others. We calculate Fidel Castro's wealth as a percentage of Cuba's GDP.

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Where did they get the percentage they used?

	27-02-2003 21:35									#5
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I don't know how they came up with the percentage, but we can figure out the percentage if we find Cuba's GDP.

Does Castro own a percentage of Cuba? I don't think so. I would say he either owns 100% or 0%

	27-02-2003 21:36									#6
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According to che he lives in a small, one bedroom apartment...

	27-02-2003 21:39									#7
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He doesn't own a lot of nice clothes. I know that.

	27-02-2003 21:41									#9
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 Arafat has 300m???? No way!!!

He has at the very least ten times more than that. All the "Palestinian money", the Palestinian dirty bussinesses around the world, the Palestinian income, etc flows directly into his personal accounts.

While a lot of it goes to the Palestinian "cause", it is still on his name.

	27-02-2003 21:43									#10
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Eli, blowing up Jews is a State expenditure, and thus cannot be properly considered as his resources.

	27-02-2003 21:53									#11
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and how many dirty millions are goning into the jewish "sollution" of the palestinian problem ?

	27-02-2003 22:14									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger According to che he lives in a small, one bedroom apartment...

I highly doubt that.

	27-02-2003 22:38									#13
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That QE2 valuation is laughable. Her private art collection alone must be worth near that figure.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I highly doubt that.

Why?

	27-02-2003 22:39									#15
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I hate to tell you this Dino, but he actually seems to believe what he says, unlike most of the rest of latin america.

	27-02-2003 22:43									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp That QE2 valuation is laughable. Her private art collection alone must be worth near that figure.

I couldn't agree more! Not just her art collection, but the real estate that she personally owns is probably worth 4 or 5 times that amount.

I think that if a true accounting of her personal wealth was done, she would make King Fahd choke.

	27-02-2003 23:40									#17
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The Sunday Times Rich List regularly values Queen Lizzy at around the £2 billion mark, IIRC.

	27-02-2003 23:44									#18
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Should QE2 be considered a leader though?

	27-02-2003 23:46									#19
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She's the nominal head of state of the UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc and no legislation is considered passed until she or a representative has signed it.

Her actual power is, of course, much less than this implies.

	28-02-2003 00:05									#20
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Sure, Saddam had to be on there...

Having Arafat on there is ridiculous, Fidel Castro even more. I've always hated that capitalist a$s with his fat cigar who bleeds his people dry while living in luxury himself...
Why are almost only rulers "we don't like" up there in the list? I'm sure there's some other rulers between the Queen and the imaginary rich Fidel Castro.
I'd like to see where Bush stands in the list...

What a bullsh*t.

	28-02-2003 01:29									#21
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quote: I'd like to see where Bush stands in the list...

Bush isn't that uber rich. His father may be, but the current President really isn't.

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He'll have to wait until daddy dies for that...

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger She's the nominal head of state of the UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc and no legislation is considered passed until she or a representative has signed it. Her actual power is, of course, much less than this implies.

Frogger, I was under the impression that she actually had very real power but just didn't use it. For example her asent to every law is required. She has only once to my knowledge failed to give it, but that law did not become law.

Also, wasn't it under her order that the Austrailian Parliment was dissolved in the late 1960's ??

In addition, isn't her approval required before UK military can go to war?

I don't know if all this is fact or not, but it is my understanding of things.

She is not only incredibly wealthy, she is powerful as well.

	28-02-2003 01:37									#24
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I believe General Suharto was worth a small fortune before he was deposed, well into the billions of dollars...

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I'd like to see where Bush stands in the list... Bush isn't that uber rich. His father may be, but the current President really isn't.

I'm sure he beats Fidel Castro though. And I forgot, it was Enron who had the money

	28-02-2003 02:58									#26
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If you're talking about former leaders, look no further than Mobutu. He was (is?) reportedly worth a few billion at least.

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quote: Frogger, I was under the impression that she actually had very real power but just didn't use it. For example her asent to every law is required. She has only once to my knowledge failed to give it, but that law did not become law

Which law did she fail to give assent to? The last time the Queen or her representative (the Governor General) tried to do that here was in 1837.

And the Queen may not dissolve Parliament unless it fails to decide on a government. The last time a monarch dissolved Parliament against its wishes he got his head chopped off...

	28-02-2003 03:07									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III I'm sure he beats Fidel Castro though. And I forgot, it was Enron who had the money

Your opinion is worth about as much as that of Forbes.

	28-02-2003 03:07									#29
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And if you'll notice, I mentioned that her signature or the signature of her representative was a formal requirement of the passage of all laws...but this power, as far as I'm concerned is nominal only. She cannot exercise it.

	28-02-2003 03:37									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Felch X Your opinion is worth about as much as that of Forbes.

It's about as much backed up. Yet I don't release it as confirmed evidence.