06-03-2003 13:33									#61
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eneducated poor are productive members of society btw.

The contribute to society in many fashions.

Prisoners do not contribute at all. They take from society.

	06-03-2003 13:44									#62
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You haven't answered my questions. And prisoners do contribute to society. Many, for instance, work - for the state and otherwise. Prisoners also contribute to the internal society within prisons.

	06-03-2003 13:54									#63
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internal society? Those are called gangs.

You could argue they provide jobs for wardens and guards. And they do consume food and such. But this is at the expense of taxpayer money.

And what questions did you have? I answered the part about the poor. No matter how poor you are you are contributing something to society.

But I disagree about prisoners contributing anything to society.

	06-03-2003 13:54									#64
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I agree with Kitty Cat's suggestion pretty much - organ donors get first dip, which makes for an interesting incentive for people to be donors.

	06-03-2003 14:01									#65
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quote: internal society? Those are called gangs.

Not all of them form gangs. And gangs directly follow from state apathy towards prisoners.

quote: You could argue they provide jobs for wardens and guards. And they do consume food and such. But this is at the expense of taxpayer money.

Bullshit. Many prisoners work too.

quote: And what questions did you have?

"Why the hell does it matter if they're "productive members of society?" What the hell is a "productive member of a society?""

quote: No matter how poor you are you are contributing something to society.

I didn't say that the poor don't contribute to society. I was asking what your definition of a "productive" person was.

	06-03-2003 14:21									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I agree with Kitty Cat's suggestion pretty much - organ donors get first dip, which makes for an interesting incentive for people to be donors.

The first time they tell the story on TV of some guy who would have been fine...had he signed his donor card, you'd see people frantically calling in to get theirs done.

	06-03-2003 16:29									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident But I disagree about prisoners contributing anything to society.

Prisoners provide an invaluable source of cheap labor for the state. Blanketing them as not contributing is simply false.

	06-03-2003 23:16									#68
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many states the prisoners do not labour at all.

some people consider that cruel and unusual punishment.

they just sit around doing nothing or working out to become stronger criminals.