06-03-2003 04:35									#91
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David, the thing is, I've answered the questions you ask already.
If you're too lazy to read, and process the information, that's not my fault.


Well, I'm out of this conversation.
Pretty soon, the Hitler analogies will begin.
It's at that point.

	06-03-2003 04:37									#92
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quote: David, the thing is, I've answered the questions you ask already.

I don't "ask questions", I post arguments. Arguments to which I have not seen you make an effective response. If you can provide a link to one I have possibly missed, I will gladly admit to being wrong (that is, wrong that you've never counter-argued).

	06-03-2003 04:38									#93
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Which they would never do if we were not imperialistic and aggressive.

Imperialistic? Oh yeah, the USA is much larger than it used to be, we are taking lands left and right.

	06-03-2003 04:40									#94
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quote: Imperialistic? Oh yeah, the USA is much larger than it used to be, we are taking lands left and right.

I suppose I could refer you to a map of the US in 1783, and point out that it has increased it's land area but a MASSIVE amount then, at the expense of other people, but I suppose that would be futile.

	06-03-2003 04:43									#95
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I suppose I could refer you to a map of the US in 1783, and point out that it has increased it's land area but a MASSIVE amount then, at the expense of other people, but I suppose that would be futile.

Says a man living in one of those areas. You'd be Mexican otherwise.

And I'm talking about the last 100 years.

How in hell do you think this country got populated with white men anyway?

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	06-03-2003 04:49									#96
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quote: Says a man living in one of those areas. You'd be Mexican otherwise. And I'm talking about the last 100 years. How in hell do you think this country got populated with white men anyway?

That's avoiding the topic though. Shame on both of you.

The present condition is the matter that was being argued. I don't think there is room to argue about the US being Imperialistic some 100+ years ago.

David: So, you weigh the terms of the soldier by the policy of the leader?

What's sad is that Jack Nicholson (from a Few Good Men) was right. I do want him on that wall, and I do need him on that wall. What is even sadder is that it is because of his superiors (i.e. the president) and opposing leaders like his superiors that we actually need the wall.

	06-03-2003 04:50									#97
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quote: Says a man living in one of those areas. You'd be Mexican otherwise.

Why would my ancestors immigrate to Mexico? Most likely, I'd be on the East Coast somewhere, or possibly still in England.

quote: And I'm talking about the last 100 years.

Why that artificial distinction? Why not go from the beginning? Further, that's not a particularly good distinction to make anyway, seeing as how the US has fought more wars in the last 60 years than in the preceding 200.

	06-03-2003 04:51									#98
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I don't "ask questions", I post arguments. Arguments to which I have not seen you make an effective response. If you can provide a link to one I have possibly missed, I will gladly admit to being wrong (that is, wrong that you've never counter-argued).

You don't comprehend well either.
The arguments you make, I've answered.
You're being redundant. Umm, repetitive. Umm, over and over.
If you think I need to address again, merely because you're now making an argument, well, isn't that a bit self-centered?

Well, of course it is.
What was I thinking?
[slaps forehead]

	06-03-2003 04:51									#99
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quote: David: So, you weigh the terms of the soldier by the policy of the leader?

Certainly, in the context that if the soldier is told to do something immoral, he can and should refuse.

	06-03-2003 04:52									#100
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quote: What's sad is that Jack Nicholson (from a Few Good Men) was right. I do want him on that wall, and I do need him on that wall. What is even sadder is that it is because of his superiors (i.e. the president) and opposing leaders like his superiors that we actually need the wall.

Jack is anti-war.

And has never served on any wall in real life.

Just thought I would toss that out.

	06-03-2003 04:52									#101
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quote: The arguments you make, I've answered.

1)Point me to a link.
2)I can almost guarantee you that either I or someone else rebutted you. If I already saw a good rebuttal, I didn't bother because it would have been redundant.

	06-03-2003 05:01									#102
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quote: And has never served on any wall in real life. Just thought I would toss that out.

Really!?

And I bet he never tried to kill his familly in some haunted hotel in Colorado during a blizzard.

Your so naive.

	06-03-2003 05:01									#103
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Why would my ancestors immigrate to Mexico? Most likely, I'd be on the East Coast somewhere, or possibly still in England.

So, basically, Britain is still Imperialist. As well as France, Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, Germany and so on right.

quote: Why that artificial distinction? Why not go from the beginning? Further, that's not a particularly good distinction to make anyway, seeing as how the US has fought more wars in the last 60 years than in the preceding 200.

It's not artificial, unless you still consider all of the above countries imperialist.

I'n the last 60 years how much territory has the US gained from those wars?


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quote: So, basically, Britain is still Imperialist. As well as France, Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, Germany and so on right.

I can see the argument for Britain, but much less so for France or Germany, seeing their current positions on the Iraq issue.

quote: I'n the last 60 years how much territory has the US gained from those wars?

The US was not out to gain territory in those wars. The US gained something more valuable, from the standpoint of the interventionists - influence throughout the world, and, following WW2, the position as the (at first) only and (later) strongest superpower.

	06-03-2003 05:14									#105
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About 60 years ago France began losing it's positions in Africa (Guinea and The Ivory Coast). I am not sure why. And what's up with French Guiana?

	06-03-2003 05:41									#106
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I can see the argument for Britain, but much less so for France or Germany, seeing their current positions on the Iraq issue.

Yes, but they were imperialist at one time. As was the US. By your definition of the US, France and Germany are still imperialist.

quote: The US was not out to gain territory in those wars. The US gained something more valuable, from the standpoint of the interventionists - influence throughout the world, and, following WW2, the position as the (at first) only and (later) strongest superpower.

Influence isn't imperialism.


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	06-03-2003 06:24									#107
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quote: Originally posted by joespaniel What is your MOS and unit Sprayber? I am just curious.

35F Special electronic device repairer
We are a non divinsional maintence unit

The only real problem with David is that he is stuck in the late 1700s. The America in his mind has long since faded from history. It would be nice if somehow the clock could be turned back and all would be simple again. almost non existent armed forces, local supremacy and such. Virgin territory with almost no local competition. Only savage indians to subdue. Only caring about ones own home and not concerend with enemy troops in the next state. That America started disppering nearly as soon as the ink was dry on the constitution.

Of course he takes full advantage of all the things that a modern goverment offers and has no problem when he gets something. But there will be hell to pay if you ask him to actually contribute to anything. The kind of person that is probably better of by himself. At least thats the way he comes across in his post.

	06-03-2003 06:29									#108
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"Savage Indians"

Well you certainly stepped into a steaming pile there, Sprayber.

	06-03-2003 06:39									#109
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand "Savage Indians" Well you certainly stepped into a steaming pile there, Sprayber.

I might have been a little melodramatic.


I won't edit it. I'm sure some will get their knickers in a twist over it though.

	06-03-2003 06:59									#110
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Awww, screw 'em.
Filthy damned savages is what they were.






(here. let me take some heat for a friend. )

	11-03-2003 04:06									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber 35F Special electronic device repairer We are a non divinsional maintence unit The only real problem with David is that he is stuck in the late 1700s. The America in his mind has long since faded from history. It would be nice if somehow the clock could be turned back and all would be simple again. almost non existent armed forces, local supremacy and such. Virgin territory with almost no local competition. Only savage indians to subdue. Only caring about ones own home and not concerend with enemy troops in the next state. That America started disppering nearly as soon as the ink was dry on the constitution. Of course he takes full advantage of all the things that a modern goverment offers and has no problem when he gets something. But there will be hell to pay if you ask him to actually contribute to anything. The kind of person that is probably better of by himself. At least thats the way he comes across in his post.

except for the 'filthy savages' part

	12-03-2003 16:35									#112
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I think that most of us over here hold ourselves in pretty good opinion. We're doing what needs to be done