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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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I hereby retract this section of my post. |
But then again, I'm sure it probably has such plans 
I was just nitpicking
Actually on a serious note - sharon can actually be the first to evacuate several settlements. I think it will happen somewhere around a year and a half from now. Mark my words.
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Why did you build settlements? |
Because prior to the jordanian conquest of the west bank, in 1948, there were jewish settlements there.
The Jews were displaced from there via war (1948) and organized violence (1920, 1921, 1929, 1935) which IMO constitutes ethnic cleansing.
And then there's that thing of bargaining cards. It's not very nice - but still - since the starting point of the Arabs was the entire land of Israel, we had to move it somehow to a more comfortable position - now it's the 1967 territories.
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Before anybody gets on my ass, I don't see bombings of civilian targets acceptable or legitimate... |
Ok, agreed.
But where's the fine line?
Is national infrastructure which supplies both civil and miltiary needs fair play?
As I said, I think it's legitimate (though not always justified) to target such installations.
However, I think that civilian loss should be minimized. This is the difference between measured war, and all out terror.
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May 2001
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Because prior to the jordanian conquest of the west bank, in 1948, there were jewish settlements there.
The Jews were displaced from there via war (1948) and organized violence (1920, 1921, 1929, 1935) which IMO constitutes ethnic cleansing.
And then there's that thing of bargaining cards. It's not very nice - but still - since the starting point of the Arabs was the entire land of Israel, we had to move it somehow to a more comfortable position - now it's the 1967 territories. |
Hey, Siro: I wouldn't bring up pre-1948 borders and who moved who out of where if I were you.
Jews were by far the minority even in most parts of Israel proper prior to 1948. The settlement activities are/were a barefaced attempt to assert ethnic supremacy over parts of militarily occupied land.
You had 30 years in the Occupied Territories and instead of planning an exit strategy you built settlement upon settlement until they now constitute 5% of Israel's population. Israel claims that its millitary activities in the Territories are to prevent terrorist activities, and that once attacks against it stop it will begin good faith negotiations. In reality this works out to a stalling tactic, guaranteeing Israel's military presence in perpetuity.
Israel has taken a unilateralist stance when it comes to interventionism in the Occupied Territories. Very well, but this means it must also unilaterally move towards peace. It does not recognise the current PA as sovereign over its own territory, but continues to insist that its hands are tied until the PA changes its stance.
If you do not recognise your negotiating partner then you cannot harangue them for failing their obligations.
You've failed for 30 years to accomplish your stated aims of withdrawing from the Territories and guaranteeing the safety and security of Israel's borders, despite having the absolute supremacy of forces in the area. Forgive the rest of the world when we're skeptical as to your motivations.
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
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Originally posted by Frogger
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Because prior to the jordanian conquest of the west bank, in 1948, there were jewish settlements there.
The Jews were displaced from there via war (1948) and organized violence (1920, 1921, 1929, 1935) which IMO constitutes ethnic cleansing.
And then there's that thing of bargaining cards. It's not very nice - but still - since the starting point of the Arabs was the entire land of Israel, we had to move it somehow to a more comfortable position - now it's the 1967 territories. |
Hey, Siro: I wouldn't bring up pre-1948 borders and who moved who out of where if I were you.
Jews were by far the minority even in most parts of Israel proper prior to 1948. The settlement activities are/were a barefaced attempt to assert ethnic supremacy over parts of militarily occupied land.
You had 30 years in the Occupied Territories and instead of planning an exit strategy you built settlement upon settlement until they now constitute 5% of Israel's population. Israel claims that its millitary activities in the Territories are to prevent terrorist activities, and that once attacks against it stop it will begin good faith negotiations. In reality this works out to a stalling tactic, guaranteeing Israel's military presence in perpetuity.
Israel has taken a unilateralist stance when it comes to interventionism in the Occupied Territories. Very well, but this means it must also unilaterally move towards peace. It does not recognise the current PA as sovereign over its own territory, but continues to insist that its hands are tied until the PA changes its stance.
If you do not recognise your negotiating partner then you cannot harangue them for failing their obligations.
You've failed for 30 years to accomplish your stated aims of withdrawing from the Territories and guaranteeing the safety and security of Israel's borders, despite having the absolute supremacy of forces in the area. Forgive the rest of the world when we're skeptical as to your motivations. |
"occupied territory" , ....
well lets say canada grabs new york state , the us liberates it twenty years later , ...... its not occupied then by the us is it , ........
why do we have to give up more for a cause that is not doing us anygood , ......
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
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because if you dont panag, the suffering will continue
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
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panag, you can live with me.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:26
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live with me and save yourself from the violence in the middle east
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:26
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Sirotnikov.
I just checked the ICQ profile of Yoav's brother and his name is Asaf Tzur and he's 17. WHAT DO YOU KNOW?
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:26
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(11 dead Pals from a single tank shell in Jabalia. Maybe civilians and maybe by accident)
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06-03-2003 00:59
the pal's should not do any attacks at all , ....... regardless of military or not 
" less trolling than making another ME thread out of this event? 
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