07-03-2003 04:40									#211
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Square pizza?

	07-03-2003 04:49									#212
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quote: Originally posted by GePap As for cultural values: I just got $2 tickets for an advanced screening of a few new independent films, thanks to a NYTimes offer. Maybe in SF or LA I could have had the same oppurtunity, but surely not the Midwest, or the South.

Hmmm... I see independent films in Chicago all the time, and for similar prices if not less. You must not have gotten around much when you were here

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I am talking advanced screenings (it was $2 bucks since the proceeds go to some charity). I remember the number fo movie theaters for independent films in Chicago. I am sorry Ming, but NY and Chitown are not in the same level. Chitown is also sadly deficient in large multiplexes within the reach of the CTA. There are what, 20 screens in downtown? Not enough, damm it!

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Mobius told me the NY film scene is crap - hardly any foreign films, only local product, including alternative. He was stunned.

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I've had no problem finding NEW independent releases and foreign films in Chicago. And I go to advanced viewings all the time (It helps that I'm a member of the media community) Chicago offers a wide variety of film experiences.

	07-03-2003 05:19									#216
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Aw shoot - I changed sides.......

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Uhhh... what side were you on horsey, and what side are you on now... or are you just trolling

	07-03-2003 05:27									#218
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What's being lost here is the need to be more precise.

There are to areas in the Midwest - The Great Lakes and The Plains.

The plains are Iowa, Idaho - pure farming.
The great lakes are Illinois, Indiana, Ohio - manufacturing and farming.

Indy is considered a much cleaner city than Chi-town. Am I right in thinking that Indy is relatively ignored when tlaking about large cities? Isn't in the top ten, or almost there?

	07-03-2003 05:29									#219
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Okay TV shows set in New York: Sex in the City, Friends etc.

TV shows set in the Mid West: Laverne and Shirley, Happy Days etc.

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quote: The plains are Iowa, Idaho - pure farming.

Yeah, nothing but farming up there in the Sawtooth Range and Hells Canyon.

I know that the term 'Midwest' covers some ground, but this is the first time I'm ever seen it include Idaho!

	07-03-2003 05:39									#221
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quote: Originally posted by MacTBone Isn't in the top ten, or almost there?

Uhhhhhh... No

Not even close... it's ranked 28th in the US

	07-03-2003 05:41									#222
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And I hate ER now that my favorite character got his arm chopped off.

	07-03-2003 05:47									#223
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That guy sucks.
Ohhhh. Never mind. Of couse AH likes him.

	07-03-2003 06:05									#224
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wisconsin is not the only area that makes cheese. vermont, anyone?

and in any case there is no difference in cheese qualities between the midwest and the east. refrigeration, anyone?

I've had deep dish pizza in both Italy and Chicago-style. Italian style deep-dish wins hand down.

	07-03-2003 06:12									#225
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Wisconsin Cheese is the best in the nation... Vermont is second rate at best So there is a difference in quality. Even if you were to get the real cheese from Wisconsin... all you get is the crappy stuff that they export out of the Midwest

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Cheese Whiz makes nachos easier.

	07-03-2003 06:21									#227
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Vermont is second rate cheese? excuse me? that would be why Cabot is considered the finest cheddar in the world, correct?

Besides, we import cheeses from europe, something midwesterners are too poor to do...

	07-03-2003 06:27									#228
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Chicago is awesome... the State of Illinois sucks ass. If that makes any sense. There isn't much else in the entire Midwest that interests me.

	07-03-2003 06:40									#229
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I can see why you need to import cheese, since the local products are so bad

	07-03-2003 06:43									#230
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They got wonderful pinecones, Ming.

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Quit counting "Metros". Go by the city limits and you'll do much better.

quote: As of July 1, 1998 these cities, ranked in order, are: 1. New York, 2. Los Angeles, 3. Chicago, 4. Houston, 5. Philadelphia, 6. San Diego, 7. Phoenix, 8. San Antonio, 9. Dallas, 10. Detroit, 11. San Jose, 12. San Francisco, 13. Indianapolis, 14. Jacksonville, 15. Columbus, 16. Baltimore, 17. El Paso, 18. Memphis, 19 Milwaukee, 20. Boston, 21. Austin, 22. Seattle, 23. Washington, 24. Nashville, 25. Charlotte, 26. Portland, 27. Denver, 28. Cleveland, 29. Fort Worth, 30. Oklahoma City, 31. New Orleans, 32. Tucson, 33. Kansas City, 34. Virginia Beach, 35. Long Beach, 36. Alberquerque, 37. Las Vegas, 38. Sacramento, 39. Atlanta, 40. Fresno, 41. Honolulu, 42. Tulsa, Omaha, 43. Miami, 44. Oakland, 45. Mesa, 46. Minneapolis, 47. Colorado Springs, 48. Pittsburgh, 49. Saint Louis, 50. Cincinnati.

quote: Waste News surveyed the 30 most populous cities in the United States to gather information about their recycling programs. The report is based on the populations of individual cities, not metropolitan areas. The survey originally appeared in the Feb. 17, 2003, issue. City Population New York 8,008,278 Los Angeles 3,694,820 Chicago 2,896,016 Houston 1,953,631 Philadelphia 1,517,550 Phoenix 1,321,045 San Diego 1,223,400 Dallas 1,188,580 San Antonio 1,144,646 Detroit 970,196 San Jose 894,943 Indianapolis 791,926 http://www.wastenews.com/rankings/mrs.html

	07-03-2003 06:58									#232
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Omaha's bigger than Miami, Oakland, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, St. Louis and Cincinnati? Something can't be right about that...

If it is right, however, then where the hell are our pro teams?

	07-03-2003 07:23									#233
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From a Mere Englander's point of view, Chicago seems the best city there is. I've always liked the idea of Texas too, they say Texan's are like Yorkshiremen (I come from Yorkshire) , and would very much like to live in one of the two when I'm older. I can imagine New york being fun,but I'd soon get fed up of the people there..

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I've been missing a lot! I mean, who else has as good BBQ, Fried Chicken, and OH MY GOD Sweet Tea!

Sweet tea is disgusting. The last time I was in Atlanta I ordered "iced tea" and I naively thought they would bring me iced tea (fresh tea, ice, and a twist of lemon). Instead they brought me sweet tea; which is a tea like substance which must have had more sugar in it then tea. :barf:

I normally don't even drink soda pop because I find it to sweet and this stuff was so sweet it made me gag. It's no wonder half the people in the south are diabetic.

	07-03-2003 07:44									#235
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quote: Originally posted by Ming AT least we have real cheese in Chicago... It comes from right next door in Wisconsin. The stuff they get in New York is the stuff we don't want in the midwest So what are you talking about... You are the guys that need to resort to Kraft

Hmm, Wisconsin cheese is ok but it lacks the "pizaz" of Californian cheese. Wisconsin makes a commodity and California has turned cheese making into an art. Wisconsin offers the same old cheddar and jack while California offers aged, smoked cheddar and jalipeno peper jack cheese along with dozens of other verities most mid-western cheese makers just don't offer.

Besides good cheese comes from happy cows and how can a cow be happy when she's up to her ears in a snow drift? Californian cows never have to worry about stuff like that.

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I used to live in a suburb of Minneapolis. Now that is one beautiful city, excellent for raising families. I could recommend it for anyone.

I grew up, however, in the Chicago area. I never really liked that city.

	07-03-2003 10:54									#237
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GePap - you're being way too stringent in your definition of what is and isn't proper on a pizza. I've been to Italy, and even there different regions make different pizzas. The whole wonderfulness of a pizza is its adaptive nature. Speaking as someone immensely proud of their italian heritage, I have to say that the best pizza I ever tasted came from, wait for it! A SQUARE SLICE!

Horror of HORRORS!

	07-03-2003 11:04									#238
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quote: Sweet tea is disgusting.

Ah, another with no taste . Sweet tea is iced tea which is supersaturated with sugar. God's sweet drink. It is Ambrosia on Earth.

	07-03-2003 11:21									#239
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It's good, yes, but injecting tea with beaucoup de sucre is hardly an intensive task - I do it all the time.

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Yes.. but you gotta get it just right .